GTAStunting

General => Community Council => Topic started by: Madmax on September 04, 2015, 08:06:59 AM

Title: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Madmax on September 04, 2015, 08:06:59 AM
As the title suggest. I think GTAS should make a radical change to become a stunters hub. WHen anyone talks about stunting in GTA, GTAS should come up in that conversation. This place is much quieter than it was before which is surprising given that GTA:V has created a huge influx of interest in stunting.

Forums aren't as popular as they were before
  - Forums just don't attract the same kind of people as they used to, I've noticed across all fan-sites I visit and Administer that forums just don't have the same kind of pull as they used to. This doesn't mean that the community itself is dead in the water and has no hopes of growth though. It just means that there has to be a pull, something to draw people in.

The GTASunting.net website looks...bad -
 - The GTAS front page looks bad. It's a clutter of boxes, has nothing that really pulls people in, and is essentially a front page pasted over a forum. I try to rep this place as much as possible when on reddit, I put the logo in my video. Honestly, any extra hits that come here probably don't stick around. I've been a member here since 2004, that's 11 years. The place doesn't feel like it has evolved or changed very much since then.


What I believe should happen is a complete revamp of the structure. Create a visually appealing website that is equally useful. The top bar is currently all forum centric, it even has "shop" which is completely useless. I believe the top bar should be as follows.

Home
It brings people back to the front page. The home page would have a short blurb about who we are, what we do .etc

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Established in 2004(?), GTAStunting.net has been a hub for people who like to stunt within the Grand Theft Auto game series. Here you can find information about how to get started, various techniques used, share videos, and join in on conversation about tips and new tricks on our forums (link).

Something like above, under the blurb you can have news with new crew videos, popular members videos that are worthy. Maybe even a "stunt of the week", "challenge of the week" or something like that to create a little more pull and return hits.

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GTA:V(Dropdown)
GTA:IV(Dropdown)
GTA:SA(Dropdown)
GTA:ViceCity(Dropdown)

Have each of these be a menu option with a dropdown. Inside the dropdown include:


Introduction to stunting would be a small article about stunting in that particular game with very basic techniques to get a newbie started and able to hit small bumps, do small grinds and understand basic physics.

Techniques and tricks would link to a page with a list of tricks, (displayed either in list form or with pictures), each trick would be a link to a page that explains what the trick is, how to do it, why it happens and either a gif and/or video of the trick in action.

Popular vehicles would like to a page with all popular vehicles. Clicking on an individual vehicle links to a page explaining what makes the vehicle so popular and how to use it.

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Crews

Have a page with all the active crews (maybe even a page for old crews in the future).Have a list of all the crews. Each individual crew page can have a little intro, who the members are, a graphic of their logo and all of their videos neatly organized with links to youtube. These could probably be pulled from the crews forum page directly. As long as you instill a format for them to follow. Maybe they could be sorted by game. Personally I don't stunt SA or IV, having just an alphabetical list of crews doesn't tell me what they stunt and makes it hard to discover new crews that I might be interested in.

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Forum

A link to the forum

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The reason for many of these changes is that most of this information is lost in the forums. People seem intimidated when browsing forums and get discouraged quickly. The above requires a lot of work, but I believe a lot of the required information can be pulled from the forum and presented in an easy and aesthetically pleasing way. The forum should be used for the community aspects, not as a replacement for a website. Information needs to be stored properly and made easily accessible.

The forums also need to be a place where you can just sit back and talk about whatever. For example, yesterday I landed a huge stunt with the Faggio in GTA:V. I was super excited but also wanted to complain about the fact that I needed a 1 minute runup. I didn't find a place to really express that. It's probably a sentiment that a lot of stunters have, wanted to do small humble brags, complain (jokingly) about some other aspect and have peers sympathise. A lot of small talk is what brings people together, they are small relatable things. I didn't feel like my situation mandated a whole thread, especially since I wanted to keep the specifics of my stunt to myself. We're all in a very similar situation where we are grinding at particular stunts for hours. There are frustrations, annoyances, things that make you excited .etc. These don't warrant a whole thread individually, they're small sentiments. There should be a place to do that. (The trollbox is very inactive and doesn't belong on the frontpage)

The forums are currently extremely messy and disorganized. There are stickied threads that seem to just remain that way for no real reason. There should be some cohesion between similar threads in different subforums.

Using a forum as a method of storing information never works, it's not what they're built for. There are no formal formats that people use, it's all posts and it's too casual. Information should always be categorised, accessible, professional, and easy to understand.


Additionally, somewhere on the website, there should be a link to the GTA:O Crew. Sure it's filled with a lot of unknowns but having a large crew spreads awareness. Stunting shouldn't be for just a core group of people, we should invite everyone to join and try.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rusch69 on September 04, 2015, 08:57:46 AM
I'd also like to see a more structured and nicer redesign for these forums. The site has always been looking boring and unclear. :Disgusted:
(The changing banners were cool tho!)

Dropdowns for the categories are a good idea in my opinion. This reminds me of the good old dropdown spoilers, R.I.P.



I think an implemented GTAS Wiki would be the shizznit! It could include crew histories, GTAS' history, every year's award winners, tutorials/methods, game physics, vehicle guides, allowed cheats/mods, patch notes (IV/V), encoding guides, etc.
All the info is basically here already, someone just would have to extract and renovate it.

BUT I don't see any changes happening, simply because no one steps up to actually change stuff. It would be too much of a workload...
There's good suggestions being made every now and then, but pretty much none has ever been realized. :P




Edit: We used to have a chatbox at the very bottom of the page on GTAS.de, that way people could chat very easily. No matter where you currently were on the page. That encouraged the gossip a lot.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Simon on September 04, 2015, 09:31:26 AM
I'm down for a change. We just need to find someone who has the know how, is willing and does it for free.

I'd love to add you on Skype or something though Madmax  :jajaja:
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Ltab- on September 04, 2015, 09:38:19 AM
I agree with the changes in the site, any kind of renewal will be cool but it's hard to see it happening either. Which is very sad to be honest. If these type of suggestions happened like about two years ago I would've been very keen to help but nowadays I have a very busy schedule therefore no time for such a workload. It's not that I'm not interested in this right now, but you know what I mean.
I don't really know who is managing the whole GTAS website (I guess it's AJ Collins?) but whoever actually takes the responsability should contact him, to get access to anything in the website.

To whoever takes the job: you got my support mayne :ajaja:
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Artifex on September 04, 2015, 11:53:13 AM
support
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: OrangeW on September 04, 2015, 12:34:14 PM
support

there was a thread on what to do with the forums, but I somehow can't find it, even though it's pretty recent.

With more and more GTA V stunters checking the site out, a lot of them are telling me on Skype that the forum and homepage is just too confusing. I've no idea how to fix this, since I'm not a designer by any means, but it's something that needs to be done
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Nem on September 04, 2015, 01:32:25 PM
I'm more of a underground kind of person, so I don't complain about as it is.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rainbow on September 04, 2015, 01:44:55 PM
I don't know if we can change the website if we don't have AJ around, but a wiki is completely independent. I would be down to help sorting out stuff for it and help a bit but I have no idea how to create one and not the time to go and learn how to make one  :P
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Madmax on September 04, 2015, 02:25:18 PM


I work/studied in IT Management Business Administration. Basically I can help with pitfalls, planning, organisation, seo, website erogomics, and all that bullshit. Unfortunately my programming and website making skills (I can design, not execute) are fairly intermediate.

There are ways to offset any additional costs making this would incure. Usually images are the biggest culprit, hosting images externally, although not ideal, would offset some additional server costs if that's an issue.

If there really isn't anyone who can step up to make a front page, there is always WordPress. You can make some pretty solid webpages, or customise premade ones. The issue with this solution is that, again, there is an associated cost. Not as much as a programmer/web designer, but still a cost.

As for wiki's, its a good idea in theory. The issue with wiki's is that smaller ones don't tend to have good formatting, it has some of the same pitfalls that the forums have. They also require some form of moderation unless you lock the wiki up so that edits have to be approved (still requires moderation).

The main hurdle here I believe is getting all of the information organised and formatted. We have most of the info on the forums already and the rest in our collective minds. I feel like if we asked, we could get a good deal of the information collected on the forums. If the wiki idea is the best solution/most popular idea, implementing formatting rules for content would probably be the way to go. Have a couple content moderators have final say and clean up articles so that they are up to par with standards.

I've never made a wiki myself but I believe they are pretty straight forward. I will investigate when it's not 1am.

So I see a few solutions.

I think if we go the wiki route, the last option is the best. Making a couple of pages isn't that hard. The wiki takes care of the rest. We would have to make a website master page (a top bar) and be able to combine the wiki pages and the master.

Alright. That's enough from me for now. I apologise for the lack of grammar, the rambling, and the general unorganized flow of ideas. I've been very busy with work (managing/running a family business is all consuming) and been substituting a little too much sleep for gaming/stunting time. I'm running on fumes and really just wanted to get ideas down. I'll be going to sleep now (weekend! Only half a days work to do tomorrow, I get to sleep in :D)

I'll look into wiki's asap.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Nerve on September 05, 2015, 04:46:22 AM
Direct contact might help..getting big names on youtube/twitch to add gtastunting into their intro on YT and a sidebar on twitch or something. but a lot of them are so big that they probably wouldn't, and it's rather bothersome. no idea. just an idea.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rainbow on September 05, 2015, 05:14:19 AM
We should not rely on big names to help us out. And why would they?
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: OrangeW on September 05, 2015, 05:39:08 AM
We should not rely on big names to help us out. And why would they?

Agreed. I posed this question before, and Daffy shut it down, they have nothing to gain, unless we collectively sponsor them or some shit, and besides, there aren't any *regular* uploaders of stunting, or any stunters on Twitch

Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Nem on September 05, 2015, 05:51:12 AM
stunters actually use twitch? :blink:
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rainbow on September 05, 2015, 06:19:09 AM
there aren't any *regular* uploaders of stunting, or any stunters on Twitch
Well the reason for no streaming to twitch is that people don't want to lose spots. I sure as hell won't stream what I am trying  :P As far a regular uploaders, it's hard. Either you have to do easy stunts all the time to meet deadlines because only uploading hard stunts won't work. You just don't know when you will land it.

Also, if you have a big sub list on youtube you can watch a new stunt video everyday if you want.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Reynard The Fox on September 05, 2015, 07:17:20 AM
I'm afraid the problem is not that simple. The truth is, forums are a dying breed. People who want to talk about their hobbies do so on the bigger social media platforms and websites, like Twitter and Youtube. This is seen as the stunting scene on Youtube really proliferated. For most younger web users signing up on a forum is too much of a hassle. I don't know if these forums support OAuth integration, but it would help the influx of new users because it lets you sign up with an already exisiting account on Facebook or Twitter.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Eddie on September 05, 2015, 01:59:41 PM
Changes need to be made as the homepage can be a task to go through and not all topics come up in recent posts. I hardly keep track of all the categories and only drop by them once in a while, I usually go off hot topics and recent posts as I don't have a great deal of time to give to my old hobbies sadly. Get a colourful userfriendly homepage. That's about as good as my input will be after a 24 hour shift
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Herb on September 07, 2015, 02:33:24 AM
I'm afraid the problem is not that simple. The truth is, forums are a dying breed. People who want to talk about their hobbies do so on the bigger social media platforms and websites, like Twitter and Youtube. This is seen as the stunting scene on Youtube really proliferated. For most younger web users signing up on a forum is too much of a hassle. I don't know if these forums support OAuth integration, but it would help the influx of new users because it lets you sign up with an already exisiting account on Facebook or Twitter.
This is an undeniable truth. Most forums I visit these days havepeople in there mid 20's and upwards who like the old ways of interacting with like-minded people, whereas the young kids these days mostly use social media to interact with each other.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Noah on September 20, 2015, 09:50:41 AM
I'm down for a change. We just need to find someone who has the know how, is willing and does it for free.

I'd love to add you on Skype or something though Madmax  :jajaja:
Could setup a donation counter and hire some semi-pro web designer. If there's anything this place has, it's dedicated members..

I'd donate for such a thing.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Viper on September 21, 2015, 06:34:59 AM
Well shit if I can help at all I will... Hmm, having a GTAS YouTube presence of some kind is a must. You could make a chilled GTAS channel that posts content whenever there are goodies to showcase or discuss (no deadlines or pressure to post stupid shit). Make a thread on here about it, and brainstorm what it may feature (if you want). Then let Paul do all the work (he volunteered I swear)! :ninja:

YouTube seems to be the most obvious way to get GTAS out there... It's really scary when I ask people about GTAS and nobody has heard of it. Over a decade of collective knowledge here, highest standards on the planet, annnnnnd Kwebbelkop ftw. :cheernutz: GTAS who? :L

:unsure:
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: dab88 on January 27, 2016, 02:38:37 AM
Did anything get changed?

I'm totally new here and it feels like I've gone back in time about 5-10 years. People don't use forums anymore. They certainly don't get used how they used to.... people use social media the way they used to use forums (logging in daily & contributing). Facebook, Twitter and YouTube have taken the place of most forums.

I was recommended by a stunter friend to join however I thought there would be no point coz I don't stunt in GTA. Would be good to see a site like this diversify beyond what's already covered.

Is this place dead? Or just waiting to be revived?
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Blaze on January 27, 2016, 07:22:51 AM
The problem is forums are essentially a dying form of communication whereas social media/other sites such as Twitter, Reddit etc have taken over for how easy they are to sign up, use and be in contact with the idols of the stunting scene which (atleast in my opinion you may disagree) alot of the big views V stunters treat their viewers like fans whereas back in the day/even now everyone here is for the most part just friends. That isn't aimed at anyone specific more just the YouTube trendhoppers who skip from game to game based on whats hot to get views for adsense aka ex minecraft ex call of duty ex whatever the fuck else is trendy on YouTube kids.

Back in say 2004/2005 alot of people just stumbled on here by accident, for example randomly seeing some "VICE CITY STUNTS VID" and searching for more and ending up here since at the time it was the only dedicated community for stunting whereas now some kid sees KWEBBEKOPRLFSFJISFSD EPIC GTA V STUNT PRANKS IN THE HOOD GONE SEXUALLL or whatever bullshit lol, watches a few tutorials on youtube and goes straight into V whereas 10 years ago you'd have to do some research, get on the forums, download tutorials (since this was before youtube or at a time when it was just starting out) and then go in game and try it out whereas now YouTube has such a plethora of stunt videos and whatnot it negates the need for people to even need to sign up here.

"According to Josh JB Barz Barham, the founder of GTA Vs largest crew, Evolve Stunting, the modern scene is split into two distinct groups: the aforementioned grandfathers, who still sporadically populate the older forums; and the rest who exist on YouTube." from some Guardian article, which for the most part is true alot of the people who are still here are mostly VC/SA guys (who may also play V) who have been here for years and years but the amount of people still active here is barely a fragment of the amount on YouTube and such when xxEPIC420GTASTUNTERxx or whoever finds this forum and sees there's 3 people online they're going to wonder "why even bother signing up when I can just go to reddit/youtube and have way more activity?".

Can't be mad at it or blame anyone and for the most part since the OG stunters who were 14/15/16/etc when they joined are now in their late 20s and have jobs which restricts their posting/stunting time, plus people simply just burn out of stunting after doing it for years and years. Alot of the V dudes like VaNilla are still active here and try to get some of the V community to sign up but getting a large proportion of a community on newer social platforms to return to an old forum is doubtful at best. But hey even with the forums in decline stunters keep stunting and videos keep getting released and while GTAS has definitely had its heyday so to speak I still consider it my home on the internet.

or maybe im just talking shit who knows :P
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: jooker on January 27, 2016, 08:41:08 AM
or maybe im just talking shit who knows :P
Nah, you've summed it up pretty well. This place is like a warm internet home for me, with some annoying retardeds like illex. I'm following VC stunting for like 9 years, I was a kid, now I'm an adult and this place still exists. Only V stunters couldn't understand this (I'm not gonna blame them tho) and it's funny, because I think many of them are younger, than this site actually.
I've tried to stunt in V, but didn't like it, it's not as magical like VC for me. The site is dying, because VC and SA stunting are dying. You can't revive it, just change it, because V is the new sheriff in town. I think there are about 50 people, who are still caring about this forum, so yeah.
we need new and well made VC,SA maps :euro:
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: OrangeW on January 27, 2016, 09:29:00 AM
or maybe im just talking shit who knows :P
Only V stunters couldn't understand this (I'm not gonna blame them tho)

being slightly pedantic here, though I agree with what you say - a lot of V members acknowledge and recognise the accomplishments of GTAStunting - it's just that it's "too complicated to use" (when I ask other newer V stunters who haven't been around in other GTAs, like me, or some others). Just being pedantic though. V is only big because of what a lot of people call view-whoring - a lot of stunters come and go (retiring after like 6 months lol), and really only the dedicated people stay
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: jooker on January 27, 2016, 09:59:35 AM
or maybe im just talking shit who knows :P
Only V stunters couldn't understand this (I'm not gonna blame them tho)

being slightly pedantic here, though I agree with what you say - a lot of V members acknowledge and recognise the accomplishments of GTAStunting - it's just that it's "too complicated to use" (when I ask other newer V stunters who haven't been around in other GTAs, like me, or some others). Just being pedantic though. V is only big because of what a lot of people call view-whoring - a lot of stunters come and go (retiring after like 6 months lol), and really only the dedicated people stay
Didn't want to be. I meant that V is new and those who knows V stunting only, couldn't feel this. Many years later, on their forum (I don't know how is this going on with V) they will understand. Maybe not, because it's not as "family-like" thing since thousands are doing it but who knows.  :P
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Spike on January 27, 2016, 10:13:08 AM
We should try to get the gtastunting subreddit going , maybe the V stunters would feel more welcome over there and it's a way to introduce them to the community. We only need some mods who put some effort into the /r/gtastunting
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: dab88 on January 27, 2016, 10:52:12 AM
or maybe im just talking shit who knows :P
Nah, you've summed it up pretty well. This place is like a warm internet home for me, with some annoying retardeds like illex. I'm following VC stunting for like 9 years, I was a kid, now I'm an adult and this place still exists. Only V stunters couldn't understand this (I'm not gonna blame them tho) and it's funny, because I think many of them are younger, than this site actually.
I've tried to stunt in V, but didn't like it, it's not as magical like VC for me. The site is dying, because VC and SA stunting are dying. You can't revive it, just change it, because V is the new sheriff in town. I think there are about 50 people, who are still caring about this forum, so yeah.
we need new and well made VC,SA maps :euro:
I'm genuinely sorry I missed the party! Sounds like this place was awesome and buzzing in the past. I can relate as I've been around a while and seen communities live and die. That's the nature of the internet though- it's just a faster form of real life and things change. Must've been good while it lasted! All this time I was on my own stunting in a game nobody else stunted on. Just Cause.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rust on January 27, 2016, 04:56:51 PM
Imagine the V map for VC or SA. I can't even run SAiVC so yeah.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rust on January 27, 2016, 05:04:37 PM
I don't know if we can change the website if we don't have AJ around, but a wiki is completely independent. I would be down to help sorting out stuff for it and help a bit but I have no idea how to create one and not the time to go and learn how to make one  :P
Well, I'm double posting. A Wiki isn't "completely independent" as it's a community based page that'll seek for people wishing to contribute at any time. Moreover, I currently administrate one of them and I've to say that it's a very good experience considering you can also use custom CSS (Cascade Style Sheets) for providing personal customisations and different themes. I got the time to create one and of course to design it, but it'd be quite a waste of time if people isn't willing to contribute its creation. There isn't a limit for articles and there are free forums to do whatever you want at any time; and you can create specific sub-forums.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Blaze on January 27, 2016, 07:11:17 PM
I still think reviving the GTAS YouTube channel and uploading only non-copyright stuff is a good idea
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Reynard The Fox on January 28, 2016, 01:34:47 AM
I still think reviving the GTAS YouTube channel and uploading only non-copyright stuff is a good idea
Yeah, that would be a great idea if half of the videos would have an original score. I think it would be cool if there were more people actively making music for stunt videos. It would turn this place both into something like the demoscene https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoscene (http://demoscene https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoscene), where you have both coders and music makers. It would make the best soundtrack of the year category a lot more interesting too.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: dab88 on January 28, 2016, 02:35:16 AM
Yeah, that would be a great idea if half of the videos would have an original score.
A lot of commercial music is now on Content ID so when you upload something to youtube and the music belongs to somebody else, it gets detected and you are restricted from monitising it. Instead the ad revenue goes to the copyright owner. So a lot of videos can go up... you just won't earn anything from them.

The internet is huge. GTAS has no presence at all. I'd never heard of it until actually being referred here directly. Would never have joined if I wasn't an old geezer familiar with forums. No stunter, good or bad will just stumble upon this place.

There's a lot that could be done. Simply opening social media accounts under the GTAS name would be a good start- youtube, twitter, facebook, instagram etc. Then post a message and invite everybody from GTAS to contribute/participate. Things would grow faster than you might think if people worked together. There are also mobile apps for various kinds of forum software if you really wanted to push user participation (esp when it comes to the younger stunters) but that would require $$ and expertise... neither of which I have.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Spike on January 28, 2016, 02:44:21 AM
As far is I know, there is a gtastunting facebook page , gtastunting twitter and also a subreddit, but no one really takes care of them
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: VaNilla on January 28, 2016, 03:02:58 AM
The solution to fixing GTAStunting is clear, but people are missing the most obvious thing of all. Someone needs to spend time making a new destination, and who's going to do that? GTAStunting is no longer necessary, and it's also antiquated, so why would people visit in vast numbers? Someone previously said that I try to bring new members to GTAStunting, but outside of using the logo in videos, that's not true at all. I don't recommend GTAStunting to anybody, because there is no advantage to being a member of the forums, and the community is often extremely hostile. That's not to mention how unenthusiastic most GTAStunting members are about GTA V stunting.

As long as we don't have someone who's willing to update the forums, and experienced in web design, GTAStunting will stay exactly where it is. If you want GTAStunting as a community to survive, I'd recommend getting on reddit at https://www.reddit.com/r/gtastunts (https://www.reddit.com/r/gtastunts), or https://www.reddit.com/r/gtastunting (https://www.reddit.com/r/gtastunting) if you want to build up our own subreddit. This removes all the problems with accessibility, infrastructure and web design, while additionally opening up the community to a wider audience.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: dab88 on January 28, 2016, 03:12:28 AM
Someone needs to spend time making a new destination, and who's going to do that? GTAStunting is no longer necessary, and it's also antiquated, so why would people visit in vast numbers?
As far is I know, there is a gtastunting facebook page , gtastunting twitter and also a subreddit, but no one really takes care of them
Seems like the biggest problem is nobody taking charge and making the changes people want to see
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: VaNilla on January 28, 2016, 03:14:34 AM
Right, but why would you take charge? What are you achieving by updating the website? Web design takes a lot of work, especially when you're making a good one, and if GTAStunting lacks purpose, why would you spend your time on it? People need to understand that those who are experienced enough to make good websites have jobs, so they're unlikely to work on GTAStunting unless there's a good reason.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: dab88 on January 28, 2016, 03:31:10 AM
Right, but why would you take charge? What are you achieving by updating the website? Web design takes a lot of work, especially when you're making a good one, and if GTAStunting lacks purpose, why would you spend your time on it? People need to understand that those who are experienced enough to make good websites have jobs, so they're unlikely to work on GTAStunting unless there's a good reason.
Good point.

I'm new, totally naive to what has happened here in the past and kinda enthusiastic to actually find a stunting community so you'll have to forgive me.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: VaNilla on January 28, 2016, 03:36:23 AM
No problem dude :P. Just to be clear, I'm not counting out the possibility of GTAStunting existing and thriving as a website. But to get to that point, we need someone who has talent and motivation to work on the website. They need a return on their investment, whether that comes through satisfaction or monetary reimbursement. That is why I find it highly unlikely that we will update the website, and that is why I think we're better off existing on sites like Reddit as well as our own forums. You can do all the same things, and more; it solves so many problems.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: dab88 on January 28, 2016, 03:51:11 AM
Most of what I think is coming off the back of a flippant tweet I sent in reply to the SBMX/Evolve merger https://twitter.com/NOdab88/status/690974628362194945

It kinda struck me as such a simple idea I was surprised nobody had done it already.... then forest mentioned gtastunting around the same time waken/lobbin had been encouraging me to join. So I joined expecting a thriving community and I guess I was a little disappointed (no offence... my expectations were clearly too high!). In an ideal world I'd like to see that one unified stunting hub... for all games, all GTAs, JCs, Watchdogs, fallout, trackmania... any game where you would 'stunt'. But that's just me and I don't see much appetite for stunts outside of GTA.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Blaze on January 28, 2016, 08:06:27 AM
I still think reviving the GTAS YouTube channel and uploading only non-copyright stuff is a good idea
Yeah, that would be a great idea if half of the videos would have an original score. I think it would be cool if there were more people actively making music for stunt videos. It would turn this place both into something like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoscene (http://demoscene [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoscene)]demoscene https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoscene (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoscene)[/url], where you have both coders and music makers. It would make the best soundtrack of the year category a lot more interesting too.

How exactly does copyright strikes work? For example lets take this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac3J2NrXKhg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac3J2NrXKhg)

Which is all over YouTube and whatever, but if you tried to monetize said video would it get flagged and result in a strike? Or is it only certain restricted songs.  It'd be cool if people made their own music which Sorcery has done a couple of times but most stunters have their work cut out for them landing enough stunts and editing never mind producing their own stuff. Still there's a metric shitton of free non copyright music out there.

While a combined site for all stunting would be good and result in a larger community I personally think it end up with V vids dominating said site and releasing a VC/SA vid there would be like pissing into the wind. Plus as VaNilla has already mentioned it takes a fuckton of work/design/hosting fees to even put together a website.

The Reddits are cool but I think it just repels the majority of the VC/SA stunters since it's also 100% V stuff which could be changed if people also released VC/SA stuff there but again with the amount of V content released compared to VC/SA it'd quickly be drowned out.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Knapman on February 06, 2016, 07:10:01 AM
Not to mention I still have no clue who this AJ guy is and why he owns GTAS.  :|
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Blaze on February 06, 2016, 09:56:06 AM
If I remember right AJ was a friend of FlatFace who was hosting some other GTA related website called RockstarNexus and he offered to host it under his network hence the black bar at the top saying RockstarNexus Network :P

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that's right.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rust on February 06, 2016, 12:48:50 PM
Blaze for admin.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: GINSENGXXX on February 06, 2016, 01:58:00 PM
make a gtas wiki
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Blaze on February 06, 2016, 02:24:43 PM
imo I think a shit ton of user friendly video based tutorials for stunting would be good instead of a Wiki that's just a shit ton of information. Infact I vaguely remember a Wiki existed a while ago about the history from 03/04 to maybe 08?

Or even if we had a solid front page with like a history of GTAS, prominent stunters, then links to tutorials and stuff. Maybe someone has all the old video tutorials from Nitzkit, Fugitive etc?
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: GINSENGXXX on February 06, 2016, 02:41:46 PM
imo I think a shit ton of user friendly video based tutorials for stunting would be good instead of a Wiki that's just a shit ton of information. Infact I vaguely remember a Wiki existed a while ago about the history from 03/04 to maybe 08?

Or even if we had a solid front page with like a history of GTAS, prominent stunters, then links to tutorials and stuff. Maybe someone has all the old video tutorials from Nitzkit, Fugitive etc?
I just tried to give an idea but as I see yours is better
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Blaze on February 06, 2016, 02:49:21 PM
a wiki for the history would certainly be a good idea but i think stunt methods should have video tutorials :P
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: ostin on February 06, 2016, 04:41:34 PM
Here's a tutorial by some dude
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwTfApFTQHM#)
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rust on February 06, 2016, 05:18:09 PM
A Wiki would only make sense if people is willing to contribute to it; try to be active at it as much as they can, of which I am unsure of. People has grown up and many are as busy as they can get, so the Wiki would be plain dead (or just manipulated by 3-7 persons).
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Blaze on February 06, 2016, 05:19:06 PM
I have a pretty solid memory of most of GTAS from 07-now for the most part so I wouldn't mind contributing.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rust on February 06, 2016, 05:28:50 PM
In such case, I can create the Wiki in minutes and code a very stylish CSS design in one hour or two. The question is, besides us two, who else is contributing?
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rainbow on February 06, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
I'm down for whatever VC related stuff as long as it isn't crew history or stuff before 2006-2007 :P I could make some basic tutorials and what not, maybe help out with stuff like the forum award pages since that is just some manual work that requires no thinking at all.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: FrankInsanity on February 06, 2016, 06:17:14 PM
Here's a tutorial by some dude
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwTfApFTQHM#)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbOsND_eoqs#)

 Or Willzyyy Stunt Tut :3 I learned with this back in 2009
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rust on February 06, 2016, 07:09:14 PM
I'm down for whatever VC related stuff as long as it isn't crew history or stuff before 2006-2007 :P I could make some basic tutorials and what not, maybe help out with stuff like the forum award pages since that is just some manual work that requires no thinking at all.
I am actually very interested about creating this. May I have your Skype?
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: dab88 on February 07, 2016, 01:31:37 PM
I would be very interested in reading such a wiki!
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Blaze on February 07, 2016, 03:39:30 PM
It appears the GTAS Article got deleted but from the best of my memory:


TGA also ran alongside it from Bloodymess as a way to host videos since Andyroo was hosting vids from his home connection which had a max of 50kb down lol. I think TGA got handed over to Samurai around 05/06?

aMpT forums 2004:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040611020629/http://amptstunting.1.forumer.com/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20040611020629/http://amptstunting.1.forumer.com/)

GTAS 2005:
http://web.archive.org/web/20051026170857/http://www.gtastunting.com/forums/index.php?act=idx (http://web.archive.org/web/20051026170857/http://www.gtastunting.com/forums/index.php?act=idx)

I think a few crews have history lists/vids and those inactive ones history could be roughly reconstructed from the crew sections. Anyone wanna hazard a guess at the first "proper" stunt vid - I always thought it was Decan's Stunt Reel or the first aMpT vid.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: VaNilla on February 07, 2016, 09:04:09 PM
Decan's Stunt Reel was the first video as far as I'm aware, he said so himself on reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/cringe/comments/43wta9/man_with_biggest_head_in_the_world_attempts_to/czlz0l4 (https://www.reddit.com/r/cringe/comments/43wta9/man_with_biggest_head_in_the_world_attempts_to/czlz0l4)

He made a comment on the video four months ago too:

Quote from: Jordan Liles
I edited this in 2003. Crazy that it's been 12 years. I'm pretty sure I made this in Ulead MediaStudio, but I've since moved on to Avid, and now I'm all Adobe. Also I know this video is kinda awful by today's standards in every way, but hey, gotta start somewhere!
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: ostin on March 13, 2016, 11:37:28 AM
... and silence
Decans Reel wasn't the first stunt vid ever. NK told me about some PS2 vids released before (one was called "extreme stunts" or something alike) and crappy PC ones.

I may write a history article since I've been here from the start. Not tomorrow though, got some shit to sort out IRL.
A question - who's got control of dead facebook and twitter pages ?
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Blaze on March 19, 2016, 06:51:35 PM
http://gtaforums.com/topic/109063-video-extreme-stunts/ (http://gtaforums.com/topic/109063-video-extreme-stunts/)

If that's extreme stunts then it came out a month after Decan's Stunt Reel, obviously there'd be videos made before then but Decan's is the first one we can reference to since finding anything from before then will be a struggle. I did a search for "stunt video 2003 site:gtaforums.com" and most of the results are roughly around the July/August 2003 mark whereas Decan's was just at the end of June.

28.06.2003  09:21        41.385.414 Decan's Auto Stunt Reel.wmv
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: ostin on March 22, 2016, 02:57:33 AM
nah, this vid seems to be made on pc while the one NightKnight spoke about was ps2 before pc version was released.

I've found Decan's stunt reel topic on gtaforums
http://gtaforums.com/topic/102842-most-powerful-vice-city-stunt-video-ever/ (http://gtaforums.com/topic/102842-most-powerful-vice-city-stunt-video-ever/)
it says it's the best video yet, so yeah, obviously it's not the first. I recall similar description on planetgrandtheftauto back then.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Blaze on March 22, 2016, 10:47:37 AM
Yeah there probably was videos before that but Decan's is the only remaining video file from that time period that could be used as an example in a stunting history wiki.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rust on March 23, 2016, 05:57:55 PM
I have created the wiki. Everyone is allowed to edit; I suggest to create an account for obvious reasons. http://gta-stunting.wikia.com (http://gta-stunting.wikia.com)
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Viper on March 24, 2016, 03:01:20 AM
Hey this looks really good! Not really sure how I can contribute right now, so I'm going to wait for more people to help develop the wiki page. Awesome stuff Rust! And thank you!
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rusch69 on March 24, 2016, 05:51:34 AM
Yay, good to see it started! A link in GTAS' top navigation would be great too.
I might feed it a bit with SA stuff the next few days.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rust on March 24, 2016, 10:08:59 AM
Yay, good to see it started! A link in GTAS' top navigation would be great too.
I might feed it a bit with SA stuff the next few days.
Sure thing. I will be making the theme/design today and adding the logo here and there. I may re-create this page's theme.

A few things that are worth mentioning in case you are not familiar with Wikia at all:
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Reynard The Fox on March 24, 2016, 10:59:33 AM

It allows JavaScript. If any of you is familiar with Java, feel free to contact me

Oh boy :Disgusted:
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Nem on March 24, 2016, 11:19:53 AM
Great to see this in process :)
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: GINSENGXXX on March 24, 2016, 11:11:20 PM
Yay, good to see it started! A link in GTAS' top navigation would be great too.
I might feed it a bit with SA stuff the next few days.
Sure thing. I will be making the theme/design today and adding the logo here and there. I may re-create this page's theme.

A few things that are worth mentioning in case you are not familiar with Wikia at all:
  • It uses HTML/CSS as base, so you are able to modify the way galleries and videos are shown by clicking the "Source" mode
  • You can upload an infinite amount of images, audio and videos, there is an option to upload 10 files in one go but I cannot remember the extension right now
yay

  • It allows JavaScript. If any of you is familiar with Java, feel free to contact me
  • There is a chat! blaregisterblah
  • blabla, right?
  • blabla!
  • blabla
i think i will try to contribute much as i can
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rusch69 on March 26, 2016, 06:20:36 AM
I'm planning to create in-depth templates for these categories:
- Stunter/Editor
- Crews
- Methods
- Videos
- Forum awards
- Modifications
- Tools
- Editing/Encoding help
- ...


This is how a stunter's page could look like for example:
http://gta-stunting.wikia.com/wiki/User:Rusch69/Sandbox (http://gta-stunting.wikia.com/wiki/User:Rusch69/Sandbox)

If you're missing anything or have ideas, please let me know and I'll put it in. Any form of feedback is appreciated.
The templates will be publicly available, so everyone can feed the Wiki easily.




Edit:
If you need any help with JavaScript, contact JustCaus3 - he's pro. :ajaja:
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Lex on March 26, 2016, 06:28:26 AM
Rusch69 are you telling like an update? that would be awesome!  :wub:
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Blaze on March 26, 2016, 06:30:28 AM
I'm planning to create in-depth templates for these categories:
- Stunter/Editor
- Crews
- Methods
- Videos
- Forum awards
- Modifications
- Tools
- Editing/Encoding help
- ...


This is how a stunter's page could look like for example:
http://gta-stunting.wikia.com/wiki/User:Rusch69/Sandbox (http://gta-stunting.wikia.com/wiki/User:Rusch69/Sandbox)

If you're missing anything or have ideas, please let me know and I'll put it in. Any form of feedback is appreciated.
The templates will be publicly available, so everyone can feed the Wiki easily.




Edit:
If you need any help with JavaScript, contact JustCaus3 - he's pro. :ajaja:

I could write the content for the modifications section (ie USCM, Spoosh, IMGTool, other tools etc)

Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rust on March 26, 2016, 12:03:01 PM
I would like suggestions about the theme. I tried to make a replica of this forum's theme on the modules (the boxes at right). This is what I tried in case any of you understands CSS, ideas?

Code: [Select]
.mediawiki {
    background-image: none !important;
    background-color: #1A1A1A !important;
}
.WikiaRail .module h2 {
    color: #FFF;
    font-weight: normal !important;
    margin-top: -20px;
    background: linear-gradient(to bottom, #323232, #1F1F1F) !important;
    width: 298px;
    height: 35px;
    position: relative;
    right: 15px;
    text-align: center;
}
.ChatModule h2.chat-headline span { padding: 4px; }
.module a { color: #F4F4F4 }
.HotSpotsModule li span { margin-bottom: 8px; }
.WikiaRail .module {
    color: #FFF;
    background-color: #1A1A1A;
    border-right: none;
    border-bottom: none;
    border-left: none;
    border-top: 7px solid #3074B2;
}
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Blaze on March 26, 2016, 01:11:29 PM
I dont use CSS that much but you could easily jack the images/hex values from the page source/style editor/web debugger or w/e, infact I did it when I made a rough copy of the GTAS theme for use on GTAForums using the Stylish addon for Firefox:

(http://i.imgur.com/dY8Ew4p.png)
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rainbow on March 26, 2016, 01:32:06 PM
I'm not getting a confirmation email, no idea why. But nice to see a start! Never did anything on a Wiki so not sure how to create a page like Nerdre did for his stunter alias, but as soon as someone learns me that part just tell me what to write something about  :P
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Blaze on March 26, 2016, 05:43:43 PM
Maybe a list of stunting/gta related abbreviations/definitions etc? For example:

BSM - Bike Stuck Method - A Stunting method found by Neo Anderson where a bike is stuck against an edge to be used as a bump.
CSM - Car Stuck Method - A Stunting method similar to a BSM except it is more vertical and similar to a ramp.
PSM - Packer Stuck Method - A Stunting method in which a Packer is stuck sideways used as a bump/ramp.
P2B - Packer To Bump - A Stunting method where a Packer is aligned with a ledge/wall/other obstacle to bump objects that would otherwise be unreachable.
RAD - RAD's method - Named after the founder (fuck i cant remember what it stands for lol), this method is used t reach higher speeds than usually possible in the game.
TXD - Texture Directory - A game file in which the textures for the ingame objects are stored.
DFF - RenderWare Model File - A game file in which the 3d models of the ingame objects are stored.
COL - Collision File - A game file in which the collison properties of the ingame objects are stored.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Kingjad on March 27, 2016, 06:11:28 AM
I too thought GTAS would be thriving a bit with the exposure stunting has gotten lately, regarding some of the views videos have had from GTA V videos. It seems like a missed opportunity of sorts.

Hi btw.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: dab88 on April 01, 2016, 01:01:08 AM
This is awesome! Loving the progress here :D
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Noah on April 01, 2016, 08:13:55 AM
I agree with everything in the OP, but are there any dedicated website builders within the community?
If someone took charge of this thing, we could setup a donation meter towards new layout and pay someone a moderate amount.

I dislike how the Admins of GTAS don't do a whole lot of administrative work, it's basically just a name tag for them.
Would love to see this place flourish, solid thread Madmax.

E/ I just noticed the age of the thread and that I've already posted a couple pages back, saying the exact same thing haha. Anyway, donation meter leggo, let me throw some money at this place.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rainbow on April 01, 2016, 08:24:08 AM
I dislike how the Admins of GTAS don't do a whole lot of administrative work, it's basically just a name tag for them.
Would love to see this place flourish, solid thread Madmax.
I'm not 100% in on the situation but since AJ is not around the admins cannot do much, even some of their basics actions no longer work. There was that banner contest and a winner was selected but it will never be the new banner if AJ doesn't come back.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Noah on April 01, 2016, 12:44:34 PM
I dislike how the Admins of GTAS don't do a whole lot of administrative work, it's basically just a name tag for them.
Would love to see this place flourish, solid thread Madmax.
I'm not 100% in on the situation but since AJ is not around the admins cannot do much, even some of their basics actions no longer work. There was that banner contest and a winner was selected but it will never be the new banner if AJ doesn't come back.
Is that so huh. Well then the admins should get in touch with AJ and sort it out.  :P
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Simon on April 01, 2016, 12:49:27 PM
Rainbow is truthman.
And at noah, I've sent him skype messages, sent  him emails, tried reaching him on facebook. No response. Recently I tried adding him on steam, but I don't think he accepted me (might or might not be because my current steam name is 'Mommy'  :|

Anyway, I can't do much..

If I want to ban someone:

(https://i.gyazo.com/259ed04d45cdca824d90dee5c58949e3.png)

If I want to Track or compare user IPs:

(https://i.gyazo.com/1602e59e19ab69610e1ff07df8d2e815.png)

If I want to...  you get the idea.

All I can do is pretty much (re)move topics, or delete posts and give people veteran/senior member status. I wish I could do more, but I can't into websites  :Disgusted:

IF anyone actually knows how to update this shit and whatnot i'll gladly make you an admin so we can get this forum somewhat back up to date btw
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Noah on April 01, 2016, 01:56:51 PM
Solid reponse Darkstar, I feel you.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rust on April 01, 2016, 08:22:16 PM
Rainbow is truthman.
And at Noah, I've sent him skype messages, sent  him emails, tried reaching him on facebook. No response. Recently I tried adding him on steam, but I don't think he accepted me (might or might not be because my current steam name is 'Mommy'  :|

Anyway, I can't do much...

If I want to ban someone:

(https://i.gyazo.com/259ed04d45cdca824d90dee5c58949e3.png)

If I want to Track or compare user IPs:

(https://i.gyazo.com/1602e59e19ab69610e1ff07df8d2e815.png)

If I want to...  you get the idea.

All I can do is pretty much (re)move topics, or delete posts and give people veteran/senior member status. I wish I could do more, but I can't into websites  :Disgusted:

IF anyone actually knows how to update this shit and whatnot I'll gladly make you an admin so we can get this forum somewhat back up to date btw
This seems to run on AJ's (or the forum's developer) programming (.php hints) so as long as he does not join, the fix for this is going to take a while to come. This page  (http://download.simplemachines.org/ (http://download.simplemachines.org/)) has what we may need, but I cannot enter the script itself as I have no permission to access "ManageBans.php" or anything as such. Are you able to enter the site's scripts and code, Simon? If you are, I may be able to teach myself how to fix the issue.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Simon on April 01, 2016, 08:44:58 PM
I can see the code, but I don't think I can edit it. As far as I could tell anyway.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rust on April 01, 2016, 08:48:22 PM
I can see the code, but I don't think I can edit it. As far as I could tell anyway.
Can I get a screenshot of what you see?
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: dab88 on April 02, 2016, 08:56:45 AM
I've sent him skype messages, sent  him emails, tried reaching him on facebook. No response. Recently I tried adding him on steam, but I don't think he accepted me (might or might not be because my current steam name is 'Mommy'  :|
Aw, that sucks. It can be a little disturbing how easy it is to disappear from the internet. The Mommy thing cheered me right up though lmao!
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Kingjad on April 06, 2016, 09:32:28 AM
Who the fuck is AJ?
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Blaze on April 06, 2016, 10:05:53 AM
AJ Collins.

Did anyone ever see him in a stuntvid? Can't knock the dude since he's hosting us but it's abit strange the dude with control doesn't stunt and hasn't been here in months.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Simon on April 06, 2016, 10:20:39 AM
He is a friend of Flat Face I believe
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: MaCi on April 06, 2016, 10:39:10 AM
Yeah I also PM'ed AJ like a year ago to make sure my donation arrived at the right place but still nothing. Maybe it became drug money to some poor kid instead but I'm fine with that also.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Afterlife on April 06, 2016, 11:20:26 AM
Maybe it became drug money to some poor kid instead but I'm fine with that also.
Oh, so that's where that money came from. Cheers mate! ;)
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: FrankInsanity on April 06, 2016, 11:22:15 AM
Maybe it became drug money to some poor kid instead but I'm fine with that also.

 Jajaja made my day 

Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: Rust on April 06, 2016, 01:12:14 PM
Maybe it became drug money to some poor kid instead but I'm fine with that also.
Oh, so that's where that money came from. Cheers mate! ;)
True hood.
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: MaCi on April 06, 2016, 01:51:53 PM
Maybe it became drug money to some poor kid instead but I'm fine with that also.
Oh, so that's where that money came from. Cheers mate! ;)

Don't know how big of a buzz you can get for a hundred bucks these days but anything for the kidz yo  :ajaja:
Title: Re: GTAStunting should be a stunters hub.
Post by: dab88 on July 30, 2020, 04:37:23 PM
I have created the wiki. Everyone is allowed to edit; I suggest to create an account for obvious reasons. http://gta-stunting.wikia.com (http://gta-stunting.wikia.com)

"Not a valid community link" - which is disappointing because finding info on the history of stunting is hard! Can anybody help? Please, somebody help :)
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