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GTA Series => Grand Theft Auto - V => V Chat & Support => Topic started by: VaNilla on March 04, 2014, 11:49:58 AM
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You can no longer glide in the air by turning upside down. Major setback for GTA V, but I need to try it out more to figure out exactly what's changed.
UPDATE: They've screwed bike stunting hard. Testing cars now.
UPDATE 2: Cars handle the same, no changes.
UPDATE (22nd March 2014): YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!
(http://i.gyazo.com/5a6cf8b2d4714b7b37d50f1483dd26d9.png)
https://support.rockstargames.com/hc/en-us/articles/202235838 (https://support.rockstargames.com/hc/en-us/articles/202235838)
Thank you to everyone who constructively posted in this thread. I have seen confirmation that Rockstar read it. Thank you to everyone who upvoted the Reddit thread (despite those whose downvoted it), and thank you to those who posted on Rockstar's Newsire and/or Community Support. One more big thanks to GTAVStuntMen for uploading his video, and finally, a huge fucking thanks to Kwebbelkop for pushing our cause.
Without our combined efforts, this would have never changed. So much relief :D. Thank you Rockstar :euro:.
Nightmare already posted this video, but for the sake of keeping it all in one thread...
GTA 5 STUNTS ARE BACK! THANKS @RockstarGames (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LrMxlrrmq8#ws)
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I 've never glided o.O
How did R* screw bike stunting? I don't ride the bikes very often.
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In the past, you could hold your bike upside down to gain height, and lower the effect of gravity on your descent. Now, they've completely removed this function. Doesn't matter if you do a backflip, frontflip, the bike reacts the same way from a bump no matter what you do. This means that most of the big airs landed so far are now completely impossible. :angry:
EDIT: This is what I'm on about.
STUNTING IN THE NEW UPDATE (1.11) (Explanation) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhKhTZ9WC-o#ws)
Petition - http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/add-the-gliding-ability-motorcycles-bmx-back-to (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/add-the-gliding-ability-motorcycles-bmx-back-to)
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Not to be a dick but I'm glad they removed it. That stunt from video you posted looks just retarded. He is flying with a bike like it was a plane. Come on just look at it :blink:
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Not to be a dick but I'm glad they removed it. That stunt from video you posted looks just retarded. He is flying with a bike like it was a plane. Come on just look at it :blink:
The only problem is that now you have tiny bumps across the board. It's basically killed bike stunting in this game, and invalidated months worth of stunts. They haven't made the game better by removing the glitch, or solved a problem. All they've done is make the game less valuable.
Imagine if they released an update to GTA San Andreas that prevented you from doing the RADs method, or increased the gravity twofold. This is the level at which they've changed stunting in GTA V.
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It's true but in my opinion this bug shouldn't exist in first place. Of course they probably didn't notice it before because they wouldn't test it the way stunters do. Now that V stunt videos are so popular they noticed something is wrong and 'fixed' it :P
Nevermind you killed my argument with RADs method :D
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Well, it's mostly to do with the BMX Flight Glitch. It works in the same way as motorbikes, but because the BMX has such a low mass value, it can effectively fly around forever. But the behaviour that allows the BMX to fly is shared by the motorbikes, so they've ended up nerfing motorbikes too, which I doubt was their intention. The video I've linked is a pretty extreme example of gliding with motorbikes, you can't fly forever.
If they don't revert this change, motorbike bumping in GTA V will die. It's as simple as that.
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I never played V so I might be wrong, but the "new" clip looks more like VC engine bumps than the previous one, that was like... flying.
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That was really unexpected, never ever thought a stunting-nerf like this would be introduced into the game haha. The fact that the game isn't a major floatfest anymore is nice, but they took it to the extreme by the looks of it.
How accurate is the post-patch clip in the video? Is that all the air you can get by bumping, or did he exaggerate/bump it wrong?
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I installed the 1.11 update onto a seperate USB drive. Remove the drive and you can still stunt on 1.10 single player.
This update sucks :cheersad:
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Will someone do a post on the subreddit of GrandTheftAutoV so it gets more attention ? :unsure:
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I installed the 1.11 update onto a seperate USB drive. Remove the drive and you can still stunt on 1.10 single player.
This update sucks :cheersad:
Oh man thank you :cheernutz:. Saved my life.
I'm currently in the process of contacting Rockstar. If anyone else wants to send them a constructive message, click this (http://www.rockstargames.com/#/?lb=/mouthoff) link.
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Oh god Rockstar... You're trying to ruin GTAS!
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I will be linking Rockstar to this topic as evidence of our displeasure, please keep it constructive :).
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It's a shame they didn't only change it for pedal bikes I guess. Is it just me or does it look like they have made bikes fall faster even when the right way up?
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It's a shame they didn't only change it for pedal bikes I guess. Is it just me or does it look like they have made bikes fall faster even when the right way up?
Bikes always fell at this rate without any adjustment on the analogue stick. However, I've noticed that the change to gliding has also affected grinding and wallrides. You now have much less velocity while grinding (you're technically hovering in the air), and in some situations, wallrides simply drop you off.
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No way :cheersad:
So unexpected, I mean I can understand why they wouldn't want flying bmx's but still I thought it would just be one of those little harmless quirks that goes unchanged.
But to change the physics for every single bike this drastically is such a disappointment, I have no words for how much this sucks for stunting.
Sorry FloW but since you don't stunt V you really have no idea how much this sucks, this method makes stunting in V so much fun and as SS has stated it will affect not just bumps but wallrides and all sorts...
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I didn't know it affects something else :P From SS' second post it seemed like rage about big airs being impossible, but if it affects other stuff then it sucks.
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Just sent them the following message, hopefully they will read it. Going to wait on reverting back to the previous patch until I hear back from them (or don't).
Hey guys,
My name is [redacted], better known as "Shadowsniper" or "VaNillaGTA" from GTAStunting.net. Firstly, I want to thank everyone at Rockstar for supporting our website in the past. You have really helped out the community by posting our videos from GTA Vice City and GTA V on Rockstar Newswire.
http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/51646/crew-cut-amazing-stunts-a-rooftop-battle-royale-and-more-crew-ac.html (http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/51646/crew-cut-amazing-stunts-a-rooftop-battle-royale-and-more-crew-ac.html)
http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/52064/fan-videos-street-and-sky-stunt-montages-nikos-yoga-session-and-.html (http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/52064/fan-videos-street-and-sky-stunt-montages-nikos-yoga-session-and-.html)
http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/46251/vintage-vice-city-stunt-videos-via-youtube.html (http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/46251/vintage-vice-city-stunt-videos-via-youtube.html)
Regretfully, the latest update to Grand Theft Auto V has introduced changes to the game that have destroyed stunting as we know it. The removal of "gliding" has changed bike stunting so dramatically that the stunting community can no longer continue to support GTA V.
I have been stunting Grand Theft Auto for 8 years, and been a major advocate of the stunting community. In 2012, I was voted GTAStunting's "Best Stunter of the Year" in GTA San Andreas (http://www.gtastunting.net/index.php?topic=62670.0 (http://www.gtastunting.net/index.php?topic=62670.0)).
Presently, I am working on GTA V under the moniker of "VaNillaGTA". I have appeared in Nomad Union's very first video (promoted by Rockstar Newswire in October), and I have been working on a GTA V Stunt Montage since September, up until March. Unfortunately, the new update has invalidated six months worth of my work, and invalidated every single stunting video released to date. Nomad Union, Kwebellkop, RedKeyMon, BenBuja... everyone has been negatively affected by this change.
Now, I'm assuming that gliding was removed because of the "BMX Flight Glitch". When gliding with the BMX, you were able to fly indefinitely, because the mass value of the BMX is much lower than that of the general Motorbikes used for stunting (Bati, Ruffian). Even BMX stunting has taken a hit, because as a result of the new update, you can't combine distance flight with stoppies, grinds, and other interesting methods.
The behavior which caused this glitch was also shared by Motorbikes. However, gliding is vital to motorbike stunting in GTA V, so the new update has left GTAStunting in an impossible predicament. Let me walk you through the problem.
When bumping and/or ramping with motorbikes, gliding allowed you gain much more height from the ground, and significantly slow the descent of your flight. Additionally, it allowed you to change direction mid air. Finding the "sweet spot" took great skill, and depending on your level of skill, you could take advantage of it to great degrees. Gliding has been used in every GTA V stunting video to date. Without gliding, motorbike stunting ceases to exist, because without it, you simply can't land stunts with impressive results. With the latest update, the potential height and distance you can gain from a bump is almost ten times lower than it was in the past.
Clearly, gliding was not created by design. But now, every stunt video released so far looks ridiculous, because every single one has taken advantage of the gliding method. Tragically, to those who've been diligently working away on unreleased videos (like myself), this is also a major setback. If we release our stunts now, they will look faked, because you can't glide in game any more. Frankly, the latest update has ruined stunting as we know it. The following video perfectly demonstrates what I'm talking about.
STUNTING IN THE NEW UPDATE (1.11) (Explanation) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhKhTZ9WC-o#ws)
The logic behind your decision to gliding is questionable at best. You are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Sure, you've fixed the glitch, but you've destroyed motorbike stunting. Thousands of people are stunting GTA V, millions of people are watching GTA V stunt videos, but now that gliding has been removed, everyone who loved stunting in the past can longer continue to support it. We currently have a discussion going about this at GTAStunting, you can check it out here (http://www.gtastunting.net/index.php?topic=65621 (http://www.gtastunting.net/index.php?topic=65621)).
I have a message for you from every member of the GTA V stunting community. Please revert the new changes to gliding. We want you to change it so that gliding behaves the same way it did in version 1.10. It needs to be exactly the same as it used to be, or there will still be a disparity between every stunt that's been landed so far, and every stunt that gets landed in the future.
It hurts to have been working on stunts for six months, only to have it ruined by changes that didn't need to be made. Here's some unlisted YouTube clips that demonstrate what I've been working on so far (for private viewing only). All of these stunts will be going into my first GTA V Stunt Montage.
[redacted]
We at GTAStunting would love to hear back from you. Be it myself, Ben Buja, Hazardous, Kwebellkop, Nomad Union, or the stunting community at large, we are anxiously awaiting your response. Without the reversal of the new changes to "gliding", we will be forced to severely step back motorbike stunting in GTA V.
Yours Faithfully,
[redacted] (Shadowsniper, VaNillaGTA).
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This really sucks. As some people have said, i do understand why they would want to take flying bmx's out. But I really don't get why they would change the physics. And if this also messes with wallrides and grinds then this really sucks. I really do hope they change this :(
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The problem is that the behavior that causes the BMX Flight Glitch is shared by motorbikes. This behavior is what makes Gliding possible. But in the general, GTA V motorbikes weigh approximately two times as much as the BMX (based on the handling.dat mass values). With the BMX, gliding is effectively two times as powerful as it is on a motorbike.
They should revert gliding back to the way it is was at the start, because otherwise there will be a massive disparity between what's been released in the past, and what's going to be released in the future. However, there is a compromise. If they simply raised the "mass" value of the BMX, Scorcher, and any other biycle, the BMX Flight Glitch would be solved, but Gliding would stay the same. If they can't bring themselves to "unfix" the BMX Flight Glitch, they should compromise at the very least.
UPDATE: Please upvote this on Reddit to help bring this issue to Rockstar's attention.
http://www.reddit.com/r/GrandTheftAutoV/comments/1zkp60/dear_rockstar_please_revert_the_changes_to_gliding/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/GrandTheftAutoV/comments/1zkp60/dear_rockstar_please_revert_the_changes_to_gliding/)
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That video that Shadowsniper posted just made me want to cry. Man, that was dramatic. :|
You should update the topic title with "Don't visit this topic if high." :ajaja:
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Gonna try to help as much as I can, I saw someone posted about this before I sleep and I questioned him if this was really true. Couldn't sleep last night. Haha. Shadowsniper, you can also post this on the rockstar support website. And we can help you make it the trending topic there. Surprisingly, rockstar admins do actually reply if the topic gets lots of feedbacks and stuff. Recently, for me, there was a problem in GTAO in my country(Singapore) and many people complained about it and stuff. There were admin replies out there. One reason why I cannot go in GTAO until now:( it already sucks and this update "fix" also had to come. I'm having a bad day lol. (https://support.rockstargames.com/hc/communities/public/questions/200795453-Calling-all-Singapore-GTAO-Players-) that's just the topic I was talking about. Shall not proceed to that any further. Just saying that you can try reporting at the rockstar support website itself and see your luck. Hope I helped somehow.
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Can anyone see them mention this change in the patch notes? I can't find anything relating to it, damn stealth nerf.
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Can anyone see them mention this change in the patch notes? I can't find anything relating to it, damn stealth nerf.
Nope, I read it all up but I do not see anything mentioning the specific word "gliding" or airtime or whatever. But I think one of those listed down relates to it. I dont know which one specifically. So maybe it is rockstar trying to remove glitches triggered it.
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It was fun while it lasted...
Not to be a dick but I'm glad they removed it. That stunt from video you posted looks just retarded. He is flying with a bike like it was a plane. Come on just look at it :blink:
Bitch, are you fucking retarded?
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As much as this sucks I don't think Rockstar will intentionally unfix a bug that they fixed before. This might be it for V, what a shitty way to go.
This is the equivalent of tapping forward getting fixed in SA. Well done Rockstar. :(
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I installed the 1.11 update onto a seperate USB drive. Remove the drive and you can still stunt on 1.10 single player.
This update sucks :cheersad:
Anyone else tried doing this method? I did the same but when I remove it and try to load without the drive, my console freezes. But when I play with my usb drive on even though the loaded game is in my Hard Drive. it works but it seems like the gliding is also removed even in single player.
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Not to be a dick but I'm glad they removed it. That stunt from video you posted looks just retarded. He is flying with a bike like it was a plane. Come on just look at it :blink:
Bitch, are you fucking retarded?
The airtime looked like shit, a guy heading the same way with his bike all the time, switching position after 10seconds of flying, wow.
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Not to be a dick but I'm glad they removed it. That stunt from video you posted looks just retarded. He is flying with a bike like it was a plane. Come on just look at it :blink:
Bitch, are you fucking retarded?
The airtime looked like shit, a guy heading the same way with his bike all the time, switching position after 10seconds of flying, wow.
Have you even played GTA 5? tried stunting in the game? Because I think these type of comments come from people who don't stunt in GTA 5. I dont think people who dont stunt in GTA 5 understand :(
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Not to be a dick but I'm glad they removed it. That stunt from video you posted looks just retarded. He is flying with a bike like it was a plane. Come on just look at it :blink:
Bitch, are you fucking retarded?
The airtime looked like shit, a guy heading the same way with his bike all the time, switching position after 10seconds of flying, wow.
Have you even played GTA 5? tried stunting in the game? Because I think these type of comments come from people who don't stunt in GTA 5. I dont think people who dont stunt in GTA 5 understand :(
I think I was the first guy on the forun who did that and I simply didn't enjoy it as I did and still do in previous gta's, simply because of the looks of stunts aspect, which, again looked ridiculous
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The airtime looked like shit, a guy heading the same way with his bike all the time, switching position after 10seconds of flying, wow.
That stunt is the most extreme example of how the gliding method can be used by light years so far, if you have paid the slightest attention to stunting in V.
You know damn well there's a lot of stunts that looks far less ridiculous that would not have been possible without that method and all you're arguing is the taste of one particular stunt, not how it affects the general physics of stunting in the game which the attempt with the patched physics made pretty fucking clear.
If you can't pull your head out of your ass long enough to realize how dramatic of a change that is, then I don't see the point for you to argue about this topic at all.
Thus; bitch are you fucking retarded?
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A lot of people on Reddit are doing the same thing right now, where because they don't understand how core gliding is to stunting, they dismiss it as a pure "glitch", saying that we're just bitching. Honestly, I don't see Rockstar making the change, but I really hope they do, because this totally sucks.
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It was fun while it lasted...
Not to be a dick but I'm glad they removed it. That stunt from video you posted looks just retarded. He is flying with a bike like it was a plane. Come on just look at it :blink:
Bitch, are you fucking retarded?
No, but I still think such big airs looks stupid. I don't stunt in V, I watched the video SS posted and thought most of big airs looks like that. I've explained myself in my latest post anyway.
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By the way I've tested reverting back to the old patch if you've already updated. Doesn't work for me. Think I'll land some extra stunts with the Adder/BMX and then release my video with what I've got so far. After that... we'll see.
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No, but I still think such big airs looks stupid. I don't stunt in V, I watched the video SS posted and thought most of big airs looks like that. I've explained myself in my latest post anyway.
It's so fucking stupid when viewers think their uninformed opinion should be the basis for how the platform the performers are using should function.
For all the fuckheads that don't understand the importance of it, it's basically what VC/SA would have been like without RAD's method or the lean forward method except the effect kicks in after the bump instead of before it. Yeah some shit is still possible and there's room for creativity, but it's so limited now that that it's almost pointless compared to how it was.[/stunting]
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The worst thing is that anyone who watches all these old videos in the future will probably think they're all bullshit, because you can't glide any more. Totally senseless removal, though I doubt they even realised what it would do to motorbike stunting. They probably looked at the BMX Flight Glitch and fixed it, without realising what it would do to everything else. They probably wont do anything, but at the very least, I wish they would add a "stunting" mode back into the game.
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I couldn't wait to get my hands on GTA V PC, but I would never have expected a small update to change my mind... They just removed huge content from the game just because it wasn't casual enough.
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They probably wont do anything, but at the very least, I wish they would add a "stunting" mode back into the game.
In that case, get ready to have everything you do dismissed as 'it's done in stunting mode and therefore easy and lame'.
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They probably wont do anything, but at the very least, I wish they would add a "stunting" mode back into the game.
In that case, get ready to have everything you do dismissed as 'it's done in stunting mode and therefore easy and lame'.
It would be better than having absolutely nothing. It's a half solution, but if they really don't want it the "main game", this is the least they could do. If you spoke to someone at Rockstar, and told them what they've done, I think they would be pretty shocked.
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You should post it at gtaforums as well SS, to get more attention. The GTA V sub forum has got almost 2 million replies already.
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I have thought about it but GTAForums is a very toxic community. I highly doubt that it would turn into a constructive discussion, so it would probably be counter productive.
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Petition To Add Gliding Back To GTA V (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m2DoPaTJPA#ws)
Comment here: https://www.facebook.com/rockstargames/photos/a.10150126067600097.319350.51752540096/10152287239735097/?type=1&stream_ref=10 (https://www.facebook.com/rockstargames/photos/a.10150126067600097.319350.51752540096/10152287239735097/?type=1&stream_ref=10)
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https://support.rockstargames.com/hc/en-us/requests/2126496
This is what I did just now. I'm really trying to do something about this so called "fix". I wouldnt want GTA V stunting to die, whats more I just ordered my capture card online. I send them that and it's seems like some admin don't even get our point. I'm waiting for another reply there. I just hope Rockstar becomes aware of this issue and revert it back.
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Support link doesn't work for me. Make sure you're using a public sharing link.
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Omg, This is serious, i really want gliding back. If i can do ANYTHING just tell me. Im gonna try to help you guys as much as i can.
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The thing that's surprised me the most is how much this has been downvoted on Reddit. At this point in time, 45 people have upvoted the post, but 44 people have also downvoted it. All of the comments I've made in response to their questions have been downvoted too. I didn't expect it to grow into a huge snowball, but the fact that people are actively trying to make it go away is really disappointing. The sheer amount of ignorant comments on the Reddit thread is pretty ridiculous.
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Yeah, thought the same. i was reading the comments and i got very dissapointed, we need to make everyone understand how dissapointing and negative this is. Im not gonna be able to practice hard spots as i used to do.
A solution would be to bring gliding back only on motorbikes and nerf bmx's just to fix the annoying flying glitch also, im thinking thay maybe they will try to fix this but gliding is not gonna be the same. Shame on you rockstar.
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Support link doesn't work for me. Make sure you're using a public sharing link.
Oh is it. Sorry then. I dont know how to public though or maybe it's supposed to be private but when i said everything about the gliding method(I also included everything you said in reddit and gave the link to it)
but this was their reply.
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Hello John0319,
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judging by their reply, they seem to not be answering properly or they just dont get the problem. But the rockstar staff that replied me was a "support tier 1"(I'm assuming they have level of staff and this one that replied me wasn't that good) but man, I will still try to do some more if I can help. I want to stunt badly.
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Yeah, thought the same. i was reading the comments and i got very dissapointed, we need to make everyone understand how dissapointing and negative this is. Im not gonna be able to practice hard spots as i used to do.
A solution would be to bring gliding back only on motorbikes and nerf bmx's just to fix the annoying flying glitch also, im thinking thay maybe they will try to fix this but gliding is not gonna be the same. Shame on you rockstar.
In sympathy to Rockstar, they can't fix one without fixing the other. BMX's and Motorbikes share the shame gliding behavior. However, the difference is that the BMX and the Scorcher weigh almost two times less than the motorbikes in GTA V. That is why the BMX can fly forever, and motorbikes drop off after a medium level of distance. If they wanted to purely fix the BMX Flight Glitch, and leave motorbike gliding intact (they should), they have two options.
The first option is to simply raise the mass of every bicycle in the game. This would technically solve the problem, but it would introduce a number of different issues. Firstly, they would have to rework the bunny hopping force to counteract the change in mass, and secondly, it would completely change the way they feel. The second (and best) solution would be to separate the handling physics of motorbikes and BMX's into two different categories. That way, they could fix the BMX Flight Glitch independently of motorbike gliding. Unfortunately, developing this would be very complicated, and it could potentially break other aspects of the game.
As you can probably tell, neither of these options are realistic. So there's really only one solution. They need to put gliding back in the game.
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They've given you an automated response. Provide the information that they asked for, but also repost the contents of the Reddit thread into your support query.
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Oh crap, They are not going to do that then. Why rockstar, why ;'(
We need to ask for a stunting mode as you said already then.
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Let's beg for fixed roofs in VC/LC and smoothed out roads in SA too... Come on, as much as this sucks for stunting itself, whining and starting petitions won't make them insert it back in at all. GTAS is simply a minority and R* just tries to improve the game experience for the masses.
A PC port most likely will have the updates included, so this gliding glitch will probably remain as a bonus to those who are willing to play with a 1.10 console version only.
Surely one could easily mod the glitch back in once it is available for PC, but that would in fact be modding. There's also no knowledge about FPS affecting gliding yet as consoles are running it at around 30 FPS only, while a PC easily gets more. We simply gotta deal with the game's default possibilities.
Sucks to be you playing that game already. :P
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ShadowSniper in case you're not already aware, they have changed the flight physics as well. You can no longer "hover" the jet with as much control as you used to have. Once you go slowly enough, the jet falls down. You can counter it if you force the jet into a vertical stall and maintain it, but it's more difficult to do that. Missiles are also much more persistent, and the cannon range has been slightly clipped.
I thought you may haven't noticed these things because you've been busy working on the ground. I had a stunt planned that has now been rendered physically impossible, so, just letting you know. We are in a very sad state of affairs. Ever feel like GTA Online was designed by people who don't play competitive online video games? The game is still broken, yet they're feeding us more content and editing the freaking physics engine.
There are still instances where traffic or parked vehicles will not spawn, especially if you are in or around Fort Zancudo. How has that game-stopping bug not been prioritized over somebody having sky-high fun on a bicycle? Rockstar don't understand what the real problems are. This latest update (I'm on PS3) makes us wait longer after a job finishes because the game freezes. Was this patch not tested before its release?
The ignorant and unimportant players are the ones in the spotlight. They complain and demand changes that make the game worse for everyone. GTA Stunting houses the most informed die-hard fans who have dedicated years of their lives to GTA, yet we have no useful insight for Rockstar's attention? We are unlikely able to shout loud enough for them to listen, and it's upsetting. Rockstar need to get in touch with us; we are their "GrandTheftAuto-ologists", if you think about it.
Flying across the map on a bicycle is amusing. Controlling a jet stall is amusing. Both require practice, which is time spent playing GTA V. Rockstar are against this. Do not by any means enjoy yourself while playing GTA Online, because you and every other player who loves this game will be punished. By literally changing the physics of their video game (just because they can now), they are telling us that our study of the game is wrongful.
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This is just a nightmare, Someone please wake me up! :(
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I have downloaded the update few hours ago and I would never consider a possibility which will influence the stunting aspects negatively. Being honest with you guys, I can fully understand the movements towards removing the ability which in fact allow players to reach the highest heights. Since most of my stunt ideas have been already released publicly, I do not longer spend much time playing game for stunting purposes. Although the stunting in GTA V has boosted our interested, there is not a relevant limitation which did or still does exist in previous versions of the game. Having said that, I can outpoint positive advantages of this quite silly move from Rockstar Games as they definitely shouldn't change something what has been welcomed positively by its fans. Stunting will change diametrically but it would not longer look like a proper flying action. Don't you think it seems ridiculous seeing person flying on a bike throughout whole GTA map? Personally, I didn't like it at all, however I am not against brining it back. Furthermore, it will be very welcomed for me to see it back again as I don't mind having this ability and in fact, I may finally done my spots waiting to be landed. I can only wish you luck to receive a positive response from the organisation. This process may take a while as the community requirements are quite high. If the game creators introduce something new (what in this case has been removed) they don't do it for a certain amount of time in order to bring it back in the nearest future. However, I wish you luck to win it successfully and get over it as soon as possible.
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I have downloaded the update few hours ago and I would never consider a possibility which will influence the stunting aspects negatively. Being honest with you guys, I can fully understand the movements towards removing the ability which in fact allow players to reach the highest heights. Since most of my stunt ideas have been already released publicly, I do not longer spend much time playing game for stunting purposes. Although the stunting in GTA V has boosted our interested, there is not a relevant limitation which did or still does exist in previous versions of the game. Having said that, I can outpoint positive advantages of this quite silly move from Rockstar Games as they definitely shouldn't change something what has been welcomed positively by its fans. Stunting will change diametrically but it would not longer look like a proper flying action. Don't you think it seems ridiculous seeing person flying on a bike throughout whole GTA map? Personally, I didn't like it at all, however I am not against brining it back. Furthermore, it will be very welcomed for me to see it back again as I don't mind having this ability and in fact, I may finally done my spots waiting to be landed. I can only wish you luck to receive a positive response from the organisation. This process may take a while as the community requirements are quite high. If the game creators introduce something new (what in this case has been removed) they don't do it for a certain amount of time in order to bring it back in the nearest future. However, I wish you luck to win it successfully and get over it as soon as possible.
Its not only about flying but wallride and grind are affected too as I read on some post here.
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I'm laughing at people who don't stunt V but are complaining about us complaining...
Just imagine if R* removed FL off AND radding AND tapping oh and increase the affect of gravity by at least 50% for good measure (and that's being kind).
Still think that sounds like a good thing?
It's one thing to be ridiculed by the general population but by GTAS'ers is just sad...
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I'm laughing at people who don't stunt V but are complaining about us complaining...
Just imagine if R* removed FL off AND radding AND tapping oh and increase the affect of gravity by at least 50% for good measure (and that's being kind).
Still think that sounds like a good thing?
It's one thing to be ridiculed by the general population but by GTAS'ers is just sad...
Well said...I don't think half of you do realise how much this limits stunting in GTAV. Your bike will only go maybe 50m after a great bump at full speed, which from what I've seen is way way less than it ever did on SA or VC. This supposed "Glitch" was what allowed GTAV to thrive and have a stunting community that has blossomed, without it there is nothing big that can be done, besides car and some plane stunts. The fact that NU have released 4 videos already with these massive stunts, and now none of them are possible, does that not cause concern for you all?
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I have to say that this update does not really affect me. I mean, now there are less newbs that come and land a huge stunt in 2months of stunting.
Remember how hard we were training at the beginning of our stunting "career" when we started SA, or VC. It'll fuck some of our spots, yes, there are tons of other stuff to do.
I'm not here to argue about the fact it's stupid blabla, I don't care at all. An update wont stop myself stunting. (lazyness will though :lol: )
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People underestimate this change because they think only gliding has been changed. It's not only that though. You no longer gain speed while wheelieing, this is especially relevant for stunts with a runup going slightly uphill. All the bikes just feel EXTREMELY slow compared to the way it was before and they are now totally inferior to cars.
I had a ramp stunt with a runup that's going upwards at about 10° and I can barely get the bike going without wheelieing. Before I could get about 100ft. on the ramp on every attempt, now I can barely make it half of the way up. What Rockstar needs to do to compensate for this (something they probably forgot while nerfing the shit out of bikes) is to adjust their speed. Make them faster, they are laughably slow now even compared to regular cars in the game.
This doesn't only hinder stunting...it kills most of it. You can barely reach 50ft. on a bump anymore. Unless the runup is going downhill or there is a doublebump available close to the first bump.
And yes, I am not exaggerating, it is THIS bad.
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The thing that's surprised me the most is how much this has been downvoted on Reddit. At this point in time, 45 people have upvoted the post, but 44 people have also downvoted it. All of the comments I've made in response to their questions have been downvoted too. I didn't expect it to grow into a huge snowball, but the fact that people are actively trying to make it go away is really disappointing. The sheer amount of ignorant comments on the Reddit thread is pretty ridiculous.
It's because the dude in the video presented a horrible example. The 'before' stunt looks absolutely ridiculous and is comparable to putting the VC gravmod to -100% and flying off a ramp. If you want to convince the public, don't front the problem on the other end of the spectrum, cause most people who play GTA V for the non-stunting content will go "Oh, so just by hitting a ledge I can fly several hundred meters and land on a skyscraper".
Ignorant people like that just assume it's easy because stunters usually make things look simple when it's actually not. Heck, after every new WH release I go and try a couple of the spots and realize that no, I legit can not land this despite it looking fairly straightforward in the video.
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This update really sucks. We all know it. I do not know if there is a chance of getting stunting back. At most, famous stunters like Ben Buja, Kwebbelkop or whatever can make a video about returning it back, and post it on youtube, gets lot of support until everyone goes with them and Rockstar finally notices it. But if you guys want to put it in a more realistic way, will Rockstar undo the changes they made just for the sake of stunters? Answer is no. It sucks I know. Nothing much we could do now unless we make a whole army of thousands of people wanting the glitch back(Doubt that type of shit will happen). If Rockstar doesn't really want to bring that gliding glitch back, the thing I suggest they can do is at least make the speed up method like it was before and maybe they could add a bit of making motorcycles wheelie higher(Like in IV? idk) which may result in finding new methods to do those higher stunts again. I don't know if y'all agree with this. Just my perspective.
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Just a warning before you go on reading my small paragraph I don't play GTA V actively.
From my perspective, Grand Theft Auto 5 was originally created to be as realistic as possible. With the exploitation of that glitch, it gives players an unusual advantage in terms of reaching outrageous heights and feats.
I know that the game is intended to be fun and that this sort of community has been going on for years, but I fear that we will just have to learn to live with it. Let's face it, Rockstar aren't stunters and the stunting community is small in comparison to the 'other' community so it's just common sense to cater to the larger community. Majority of players won't even notice a difference.
This just leaves more room to find newer spots and work even harder to land them.
That's just my 2 cents as a non-gtav outsider looking in.
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ITT: People who have never played GTA V 1.11 saying it isn't that bad. :|
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From my perspective, Grand Theft Auto 5 was originally created to be as realistic as possible.
1. This is just speculation, though I appreciate how you present it as a subjective standpoint and not as objective truth, and 2. GTA has never been about realism, surely it had to become a bit more realistic with the transition from top-down to 3D but it has always been a silly, exaggerated version of reality in a sandbox environment.
Realism-driven games are games like Ghost Recon (not Advanced Warfighter), not GTA not even close.
This just leaves more room to find newer spots and work even harder to land them.
It leaves less room as it makes a lot less possible, yes it makes you look for different spots or other ways to achieve something and you can call that adapting or creative but without this barrier there would be a lot more room for creativity in a more unlimited form than what we are left with now.
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ITT: People who have never played GTA V 1.11 saying it isn't that bad. :|
I understand where you're coming from but you don't need to be rude. You need to look at it from every perspective to fully understand before you start making judgement on it.
I'm just trying to say that from a spectator's point of view, honestly it looks modded the way it used to be. It didn't seem plausible at all. It may seem that way to you because you know how the physics work but to me, it just looked like a guy on a bike floating through the air and randomly stopping when he thinks it's good enough for a video.
With the addition of this update it will allow stunters to look even deeper in to their game and figure out a new method which allows even better spots than before. This is not the end of GTA V stunting, it could very well even be the beginning depending on how you look at it.
I think everyone needs to just wait it out a little and then try it from a different angle. There was still a boat load of opportunities before the update without the method and there's still a boat load left. You just need to dig deeper. That's the definition of a good stunter, one who works with his/her environment to its best ability.
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I understand where you're coming from but you don't need to be rude. You need to look at it from every perspective to fully understand before you start making judgement on it.
So do you dude, you're a spectator trying to tell performers how their performance environment should be.
I'm just trying to say that from a spectator's point of view, honestly it looks modded the way it used to be. It didn't seem plausible at all. It may seem that way to you because you know how the physics work but to me, it just looked like a guy on a bike floating through the air and randomly stopping when he thinks it's good enough for a video.
Stunting in and of itself looks modded and is not a realistic representation of how things work, if you do a 50ft drop on a bike and land on a flat surface with no speed forward nor decline in the landing you will die.
Pointing the airtime alone in particular without addressing all the other logical fallacies within what we do is just picking out a piece of something that doesn't make sense saying if we fix this one thing, then all of it will make sense.
With the addition of this update it will allow stunters to look even deeper in to their game and figure out a new method which allows even better spots than before. This is not the end of GTA V stunting, it could very well even be the beginning depending on how you look at it.
That's like telling Jews getting sent to Auschwitz is a opportunity to look at new business models.
The point is, something done by force is not something that inspires creativity.
For many stunters this application of forcefully narrowing down our creative environment is the opposite of the planting of seeds for more innovation, even though innovation can come from it it's not from something that's fundamentally positive.
I think everyone needs to just wait it out a little and then try it from a different angle. There was still a boat load of opportunities before the update without the method and there's still a boat load left. You just need to dig deeper. That's the definition of a good stunter, one who works with his/her environment to its best ability.
Maybe, but that's easy to say form someone who has invested no time and effort into stunting and building a reputation around their performance on this platform and furthermore with a set of physics that no longer applies. You're not affected by this, thus you telling us how we should react to it makes no sense, don't be rude.
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I understand where you're coming from but you don't need to be rude. You need to look at it from every perspective to fully understand before you start making judgement on it.
So do you dude, you're a spectator trying to tell performers how their performance environment should be.
I'm just trying to say that from a spectator's point of view, honestly it looks modded the way it used to be. It didn't seem plausible at all. It may seem that way to you because you know how the physics work but to me, it just looked like a guy on a bike floating through the air and randomly stopping when he thinks it's good enough for a video.
Stunting in and of itself looks modded and is not a realistic representation of how things work, if you do a 50ft drop on a bike and land on a flat surface with no speed forward nor decline in the landing you will die.
Pointing the airtime alone in particular without addressing all the other logical fallacies within what we do is just picking out a piece of something that doesn't make sense saying if we fix this one thing, then all of it will make sense.
With the addition of this update it will allow stunters to look even deeper in to their game and figure out a new method which allows even better spots than before. This is not the end of GTA V stunting, it could very well even be the beginning depending on how you look at it.
That's like telling Jews getting sent to Auschwitz is a opportunity to look at new business models.
The point is, something done by force is not something that inspires creativity.
For many stunters this application of forcefully narrowing down our creative environment is the opposite of the planting of seeds for more innovation, even though innovation can come from it it's not from something that's fundamentally positive.
I think everyone needs to just wait it out a little and then try it from a different angle. There was still a boat load of opportunities before the update without the method and there's still a boat load left. You just need to dig deeper. That's the definition of a good stunter, one who works with his/her environment to its best ability.
Maybe, but that's easy to say form someone who has invested no time and effort into stunting and building a reputation around their performance on this platform and furthermore with a set of physics that no longer applies. You're not affected by this, thus you telling us how we should react to it makes no sense, don't be rude.
I'm not telling you how to feel at all I'm merely suggesting an alternative perspective. I may come across as pushy, but it's hard to tell just by words on a screen what someone is saying and how they are saying it, we interpret a conversation over the internet in our own way in the mood we're in.
I'm also not saying that stunting should be hyper-realistic in every spectrum possible, I'm merely just saying that it should look "realistic to a degree". In a sense that, in a virtual world where you can't die or your bike can not be damaged in any way you should be able to do this-this way. Relating that to GTA V, it was kind of impossible to do the kind of feats that some people were achieving without a bug exploitation.
Before we go on, how about a truce? We obviously have different opinions on the situation, but there is no need to start taking this to a personal level. After all, I'm just saying what it looks like from the outside, not once have I said that it has affected me, I started off by saying that I don't play GTA V, I made that very clear.
There's both good and bad in this situation, and you can look at it either way you want. I don't think Rockstar will revert though but if they do then I wish you all good luck on finding those huge spots again. In the meantime, take the time to look for spots with a different mindset.
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I'm merely just saying that it should look "realistic to a degree". In a sense that, in a virtual world where you can't die or your bike can not be damaged in any way you should be able to do this-this way. Relating that to GTA V, it was kind of impossible to do the kind of feats that some people were achieving without a bug exploitation.
Well, say that to the whole stunting scene then. It has been like that since 2004. Daffy is one of the oldest right here, I don't think you'll teach anything to him. Just saying. <- about your whole "find new spots" thingy + some other stuff in your text.
My point here, is that yes, they fucked up a part of the game, but on the other view, I wouldn't lose time reporting all these stuff for nothing. We're frustrated yes, that's logic. We spent so much time trying to get some stunts done, and now we can't even get a single good try. We lost spots, that suck.
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It is a major kill to motorbike stunting, that's what some of you don't realise. However... I've done all I can personally do. If anyone wants to help, send a "mouthoff" message to Rockstar and include my post. That way, they're more likely to see it, and more likely to make a change, no matter how unlikely it is.
Honestly, I think the most realistic proposition at this point is a "stunt mode" toggle in the options menu. It would enable gliding in single player, and put you in a separate lobby in GTA Online. That way, everyone's happy. Had no idea it also harms planes though, haven't tried them since the update.
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It is a major kill to motorbike stunting, that's what some of you don't realise.
It doesn't kill the whole motorbike stunting at all. There are tons of stunts that doesn't need height and lenght to be done.
It definitely killed the bigairs, and to be honest, they were ridiculous. Afterall, everyone has a different mind.
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Airbrush: I can appreciate how you're trying to encourage people to look at it in a positive way or find a way to turn it into something positive which generally is a very productive way to deal with resistance of any kind.
However I just don't think it's in your place or any of the reddit users to do so in the first place as the ridiculous big-airs or the potential for them is what made stunting in GTA V so appealing to me and other performers that I know in the first place.
Yes we can for sure adapt to a certain degree, but the question is whether we have any interest in doing so at all when the main attraction is gone and all the current substitutes doesn't even come close.
Maybe we'll discover a new technique that is a fully functional replacement, but for the time being there isn't one and I will deal realistically with the situation we're in.
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It definitely killed the bigairs, and to be honest, they were ridiculous. Afterall, everyone has a different mind.
It has a major effect on every method in the game. Don't get me wrong, there are still great stunts that can be done with motorbikes, just nothing even close to what we've been doing for all these months. I have actually landed a sick motorbike stunt since the update that's not a big air, but it's just such a disappointment.
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It definitely killed the bigairs, and to be honest, they were ridiculous. Afterall, everyone has a different mind.
It has a major effect on every method in the game. Don't get me wrong, there are still great stunts that can be done with motorbikes, just nothing even close to what we've been doing for all these months. I have actually landed a sick motorbike stunt since the update that's not a big air, but it's just such a disappointment.
Now I get what you meant :P
Precisions and grind have always been better than any bigairs on V imo.
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Done a speed method test with the Bati, frame by frame.
Driving normally, leaning forward, leaning back = same speed.
Dipping (leaning back and forth at a medium pace) = very slightly faster (1 second faster on airport runway).
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If anyone wants to help, send a "mouthoff" message to Rockstar and include my post. That way, they're more likely to see it, and more likely to make a change, no matter how unlikely it is.
This is what I've been doing, so far no good responses. I can even spam but no point sometimes. Trying my best though.
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I wonder why they even decided to remove it. You had no reason to use gliding besides stunting, it didn't give anyone a fair advantage over others in multiplayer.
Why would they promote stunting videos on their newswire, and then try to "fix" stunting? It doesn't make sense to me.
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They probably didn't realise that they would mess up the motorbikes. Gliding is a mechanic shared by BMX's, as mentioned earlier in the thread.
I've finished speed testing every common motorbike now. Leaning forward doesn't make any difference, and doing a wheelie doesn't make any difference (aside from the first gear of the bike). Dipping allows you to accelerate up to top speed much faster - you can get up to full speed one second more quickly on a long runup. Not sure if it lets you exceed the top speed any more, but if it's anything like IV, dipping should let you go over the top speed of the bike.
The only exception to this rule is the Faggio. The Faggio has been majorly nerfed by the update, but regardless, it's still much faster to do a wheelie with the Faggio. It's even faster if you're dipping up and down within the wheelie.
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People underestimate this change because they think only gliding has been changed. It's not only that though. You no longer gain speed while wheelieing, this is especially relevant for stunts with a runup going slightly uphill. All the bikes just feel EXTREMELY slow compared to the way it was before and they are now totally inferior to cars.
I had a ramp stunt with a runup that's going upwards at about 10° and I can barely get the bike going without wheelieing. Before I could get about 100ft. on the ramp on every attempt, now I can barely make it half of the way up. What Rockstar needs to do to compensate for this (something they probably forgot while nerfing the shit out of bikes) is to adjust their speed. Make them faster, they are laughably slow now even compared to regular cars in the game.
This doesn't only hinder stunting...it kills most of it. You can barely reach 50ft. on a bump anymore. Unless the runup is going downhill or there is a doublebump available close to the first bump.
And yes, I am not exaggerating, it is THIS bad.
Serb obviously got a job at rockstar and he want to give you juicy cocks
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Tested wallrides. They're still possible, but multiple things have changed.
1. You can no longer gain "vertical velocity" on a wallride. Take this stunt for example.
(http://i.imgur.com/dYV3yBK.gif)
When Slayer attaches to the wallride, he is able to turn and gain enough speed on the wall to reach the top. This is no longer possible without using the slow motion ability. You are only able to take advantage of the vertical velocity you have at the point of contact, meaning that you can't gain any speed while driving vertically up a wall. This makes a bunch of stunts impossible, including Darkstar's wallride to building from the first Nomad Union video.
However, when the slow motion ability is enabled, you still gain speed by hitting the wall with your front wheel (this has always been possible). This means that by enabling the slow motion ability just as you hit the wall, you can use the velocity you've gained to land the wallride more easily. Since you only gain velocity from the slow motion ability at the point of contact, you must use your speed wisely.
The only way you can gain velocity while wallriding is if you're driving at a right angle to the wall (90 degrees).
2. You can no longer "lock" onto the wall as effectively as you could in the past. You also have to be much more careful when turning on a wall, because it's much easier to fall off.
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People underestimate this change because they think only gliding has been changed. It's not only that though. You no longer gain speed while wheelieing, this is especially relevant for stunts with a runup going slightly uphill. All the bikes just feel EXTREMELY slow compared to the way it was before and they are now totally inferior to cars.
I had a ramp stunt with a runup that's going upwards at about 10° and I can barely get the bike going without wheelieing. Before I could get about 100ft. on the ramp on every attempt, now I can barely make it half of the way up. What Rockstar needs to do to compensate for this (something they probably forgot while nerfing the shit out of bikes) is to adjust their speed. Make them faster, they are laughably slow now even compared to regular cars in the game.
This doesn't only hinder stunting...it kills most of it. You can barely reach 50ft. on a bump anymore. Unless the runup is going downhill or there is a doublebump available close to the first bump.
And yes, I am not exaggerating, it is THIS bad.
Serb obviously got a job at rockstar and he want to give you juicy cocks
(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Jonah-Hill-Sick-Reference-Bro-This-Is-The-End.gif)
YES SERB I HATE VALUE FOR MY STUNTS!!!
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Woah... they removed every fucking method there was :cheersad:
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Tested gliding and backflips. Gliding is completely gone on motorbikes. However, backflipping still allows you to gain much more height, and gain significantly more distance.
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Is it really, really bad? I mean, is stunting really dead just because you can't jump like a million feet in the air?
They way I see it one of these things must happen to keep V stunting alive
A. They fix it and we're happy again
B. They don't fix it, but we accept and start landing lower roofs and doing different kinds of stunts
C. They don't fix it, but we're so unhappy that we mod it in some way we all agree on and like (will have to wait for PC version I guess)
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I did read the topic, most of it anyway. You guys seem way too pessimistic to me.
Daffy you were the one who said we maybe oughta focus on the aesthetics of the stunts this time around.. now I know you and probably most GTA V stunters will disagree, but many of the bigairs that have been landed so far just look dumb and ugly to me. I won't say more until I've tried the update myself (I might change my mind then)
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If you would have read the topic you would have seen what else has been affected.
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If you would have read the topic you would have seen what else has been affected.
:ajaja:
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http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/52204/GTA-Fan-Vids-GTAV-Renegades-Graff-Art-Trevor-and (http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/52204/GTA-Fan-Vids-GTAV-Renegades-Graff-Art-Trevor-and)
"An impressive gravity destroying collective"
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/67/671256e55e7b94c478f77c4dd2aa2641afb98ec711bc9be66307aab25cd881fe.jpg)
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It's awesome that they posted the video but man, that just goes to show that they don't even realise what they've done. Use this as an opportunity, tell them about the issue in the Newswire comments.
Also, I've noticed another problem with the latest patch. If you are about to crash into a building from long distance, and you enable the slow motion ability, the game automatically disables it so you crash into the building without being able to prevent it... what the fuck.
UPDATE: Feel free to copy/paste my comment in the Newswire comments.
I'm "NAMEHERE" from Kaleidoscope, thank you so much for posting our video! But Rockstar, I'm not sure if you realise what you've done to stunting with the latest patch for the game. They're no longer possible with the latest patch. You need to fix this if you want to see more videos from GTAStunting in the future. Check out my post/solution here.
http://www.reddit.com/r/GrandTheftAutoV/comments/1zkp60/dear_rockstar_please_revert_the_changes_to_gliding/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/GrandTheftAutoV/comments/1zkp60/dear_rockstar_please_revert_the_changes_to_gliding/)
As a result of Gliding's removal, the great majority of big air motorbike stunts are no longer possible. Please, from everyone at GTAStunting, fix this as soon as you can. The removal of gliding has effectively killed us. You can read our ongoing discussion about the issue here.
http://www.gtastunting.net/index.php?topic=65621 (http://www.gtastunting.net/index.php?topic=65621)
I know you read the Newswire comments, so please, get in touch with me or the administrators of GTAStunting.
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Posted a comment as well,, we can only hope for a response and consideration now :unsure:
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The one solitary thing they've actually improved with the patch is stoppies. You can now stoppie on motorbikes for a really long time at high speed with high reliability. However, I would trade the new stoppies back for gliding in a heartbeat.
Anyway, my motorbikes research is done. They've really screwed it up, I've got to be honest. The highest bump I've got from a single standard ledge is about 80ft. The highest double bump I've done is about 120ft. The highest bump I've done from a ramped ledge is about 100ft, and the highest I've got from the airport ramps is about 120ft. The best distance I've got from flat ground is about 600ft. This doesn't even compare to what was possible in the past.
Unless you're hitting a curved surface at high speed, wallrides are practically worthless now. That's just a fact. Grinding is just as good as it was in the past, it's actually slightly easier to control. Stoppies have improved, and wheelies have degraded in that you can no longer gain higher speeds. Now to test out the BMX.
RedX: With respect, you don't understand what's going on. It's not just about reaching "million foot distances" as you put it, you can't even land remotely big air bike stunts any more. It's not even impressive any more. You can only land slightly better roofs/gaps than those seen in the very first Nomad Union video as of this update, it's ridiculous. Even some of the stunts from that very first video are now completely impossible.
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Just thought I'd see what was going on here at the forums as I am kind of busy with nearly everything in life, and then I find this mess. Haven't tested the patch yet but maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan does this sound lame. Well RIP my dear spots.
I don't understand why they needed to "fix" the BMX flight time, it was one of the most fun things I've done in any GTA. :( The only stunting related thing that cheered me up was that, in the 20 minutes of freetime I had this morning, I landed the opener of Scavengers. Which was a pain in the ass for years now :P But apart from that, give a prize winning game to R* so they can fuck it up :)
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Tested BMX's. Luckily they haven't messed up too much with them, just removed the flight glitch. It's actually much easier to do a stoppie with the BMX/Scorcher now than it was before. The only thing that's more difficult is bumping (obviously), and grinds are little bit harder. Still possible to gain speed by jumping and leaning forward, and it's also still possible to do the BMX Stoppie Speed Method.
Gonna test if the slow motion ability still allows you to fall to to the ground faster with cars (the slow motion speed boosting works exactly as it did before), and test out planes as well. After that, my work here is done :jajaja:.
UPDATE: Yeah cars are exactly the same as before. Literally nothing has changed. At least they left one thing alone :lol:. I've also tried the new DLC cars. The Adder is still the best.
UPDATE 2: Planes are almost exactly the same, but like Viper said, stalling is a little different as of the latest update. It's a real shame for jet stunts, but it is very minor in the grand scheme of things.
Essentially, the BMX can't glide any more, but it feels fine and the changes don't really invalidate any of the stunts that've been landed so far. They've totally fucked up motorbike stunting though, and planes have suffered a minor setback in regards to stalling changes. If they keep the changes they've made so far, motorbike stunting can survive, but it'll be so much worse that I'm not sure that it's even worth it any more, aside from grinds and some wallride spots.
UPDATE 3: Oh and by the way. For anyone who doesn't play GTA V saying this isn't that bad...
(http://i.imgur.com/sMyII9x.gif)
Remember this stunt? You can't even lock on the wallride any more. Totally impossible.
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RedX: With respect, you don't understand what's going on. It's not just about reaching "million foot distances" as you put it, you can't even land remotely big air bike stunts any more. It's not even impressive any more. You can only land slightly better roofs/gaps than those seen in the very first Nomad Union video as of this update, it's ridiculous. Even some of the stunts from that very first video are now completely impossible.
Yeah I don't know a lot about V stunting, but I still watch stunting videos and I've played a lot of GTAV, so I know what I like to see. I wanna see some roof landings (don't have to be huge), grinds, precisions, plane stunts and god knows what else. I think GTA5 has A LOT of potential when it comes to originality. Considering what one could do in online together for example (I'm sure you've all seen the .gif of the four guys jumping over a flying plane). We could do drifting, synchronized stunting, use uncommon vehicles to explore what's possible...
No disrespect to all you dedicated stunters, but I don't really give a shit if somebody spent 50 hours landing a near-impossible stunt if they're floating through the air for 10 seconds. Especially if that's every damn stunt throughout the whole video. It just looks bad to me, and you can't tell me I'm just ignorant because that's just an opinion*. Maybe I won't like the new physics either, but it's certainly no crying shame in my book if they nerf this floatyness at least a bit, because as of now it's as if Los Santos is on the moon.
I can't imagine there's ever been a bigger GTA community than GTA Online right now, so saying GTAV stunting is dead is what's ridiculous here
edit: *bad words. the fact that I think it looks bad is what's just an opinion.
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You still bring up "floating", but fail to mention the other changes they've made to the game. Just read the thread dude.
UPDATE: Another video on this issue from a very popular YouTube stunter.
GTA 5 STUNTS - WE NEED HELP! SAVE GTA 5 STUNTS ! - @RockstarGames (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k04ZdfLS0_A#ws)
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A lot of comments have gone through since I last looked and I breezed through a few but my main point that I've been trying to make from the start is like Mxzz. Stunting in GTA V isn't as dead as everyone claims it to be, it's had a big downfall yes but there is still ways to create an incredible video. I know I'm no where near as experienced as 99% of you in this thread but I'm just trying to make you realise from a different perspective that it's not so bad.
I'm going to stop watching this thread from now on, I just wanted to get my 2 cents in. Good luck everyone. :)
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dont know if anybody have done it yet but I just deleted my whole gta 5 from my xbox storage and when I reinstalled it the gliding method works again atleast in single player. A easy fix for rockstar can be that you shouldnt "require" to update everything for gta online. But I guess that might fuck up a lot...either way, if you want the gliding method back so bad then just reinstall your gta and play in single player / offline mode. And I guess you all need to stop bitching about the slowmo now :lol:
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Considering what one could do in online together for example (I'm sure you've all seen the .gif of the four guys jumping over a flying plane). We could do drifting, synchronized stunting, use uncommon vehicles to explore what's possible...
This update makes all those things way more undoable too...
Yeah I don't know a lot about V stunting.
Exactly.
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dont know if anybody have done it yet but I just deleted my whole gta 5 from my xbox storage and when I reinstalled it the gliding method works again atleast in single player. A easy fix for rockstar can be that you shouldnt "require" to update everything for gta online. But I guess that might fuck up a lot...either way, if you want the gliding method back so bad then just reinstall your gta and play in single player / offline mode. And I guess you all need to stop bitching about the slowmo now :lol:
Nope, slowmo will stay the same. It's not because of a patch, that we'll agree about it.
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Nope, slowmo will stay the same. It's not because of a patch, that we'll agree about it.
Slow motion is now 100% necessary to land a plethora of wallride spots. It has always been necessary to land certain bumps as well.
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^And it will still look ugly :lol:
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It's silly to say big airs in GTA V look ugly, therefore this patch is justified.
You don't have to like them, you have your own opinions and that's fine, many other technical stunts are still possible and you can still enjoy those that are landed.
It's like saying monster dynamics, taxi rolling, iBSM all look stupid and unrealistic, therefore it's ok if they patch it oh and don't mind not being able to do big airs anymore, just find other creative stunts...
NO, reducing variety and affecting almost every aspect of stunting as well as big airs is uncalled for and you know it.
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I always had fun with stunting in V so far but well this sucks. IMO such 'glitches' are just making a game a game.. Fixing such characteristic things lowers the quality of the game..
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Haha. This is like a really big conspiracy to make us look like bad cheaters for everyone else who will try these tricks with 1.11 patch. :P
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why dont we make a trainer for gta 5 now instead? there should be a file for the health and this glitch should also be somewhere in there and also destruction of vehicles. You all know that EVERY gta game has a trainer made from players, not from rockstar, so why should this one be any different really? Yes I know it might be tricky to get it done for the console but its just an idea...which might work and also will get us massive creds to all stunters outside of gtas and maybe our community here wont die :)
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By doing that, you become a cheater. It's not a solution.
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By doing that, you become a cheater. It's not a solution.
so you are telling me that all on the whole forum is a bunch of cheaters? :) because I explained that we have done a trainer (or a dannyes main / modding file for stunting) for EVERY gta game so far so why the hell are you all bitching about it all of a sudden? Fuck yes its cheating and modding but if I remember right it stands somewhere here on the forum "if the stunter is using something to make only that stunter better at the game he is modding" or something like that and a trainer like the ones we have done doesnt make anyone that much better. It makes the game easier. Which this trainer also will. What is wrong with the idea? And now I just dont want your opinion SS. I want everyones opinion on this. Even the new guys who arent veterans..what do you guys think? Should we make a trainer for gta 5 or not? Is a trainer cheating like SS/VaNilla stated or not? Yes we are a bunch of lazy fuckers who wants to just make stunts and we also want them to look good in a video so we do modifiy to make that happen. We have done it with every game so far..stop telling me its cheating when its not!
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What SS means is that if you do a trainer to revert (or whatever) changes that were added in 11 patch, then you are a cheater. Because technically gliding is no longer possible and you need mods / trainers to use it. Dannye's main was only a teleporter and car spawner, to save your time driving back to try the stunt again or waste your time finding a bike on the street. It didn't change physics of the game, it didn't make you fly way longer, make grinds and wallride easier like gliding does.
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Yeah.
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What SS means is that if you do a trainer to revert (or whatever) changes that were added in 11 patch, then you are a cheater. Because technically gliding is no longer possible and you need mods / trainers to use it. Dannye's main was only a teleporter and car spawner, to save your time driving back to try the stunt again or waste your time finding a bike on the street. It didn't change physics of the game, it didn't make you fly way longer, make grinds and wallride easier like gliding does.
Its a patch, not a removal from the game..and I said that we might as well make a trainer. That we all can use in single player. Anybody got any better ideas?
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I personally feel that if modders find a way to revert back to 1.10 gliding on the PC version we should totally do it. Not sure if the original files from 1.10 can be savaged though, we'll have to wait and see.
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The problem is that any time someone watches a video with gliding, they will consider it cheating, if it's not actually part of the game. It would be easy enough to patch it back in, provided they don't make any major changes to the PC version. But it has to be in the official game.
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The problem is that any time someone watches a video with gliding, they will consider it cheating, if it's not actually part of the game. It would be easy enough to patch it back in, provided they don't make any major changes to the PC version. But it has to be in the official game.
Well it used to be in the game, it no longer is but I think for that we could make an exception. Just tell people that all stunts are done in GTA V 1.10 and it will be legit. Kinda similar to the SA hot coffee patch.
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It's different in that GTA V is constantly being iterated upon with new content. San Andreas stayed exactly the same aside from bug fixes in two patches, and the removal of Hot Coffee.
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A PC version most likely will not have the glitch included. Modding it back in increases possibilities, but people would shout mods even more and they'd actually be right about it. Sticking to the game's default possibilities is the right thing to do imo. If FPS affect gliding, then PCs would have an unfair advantage over console's gliding since they are running the game at approximately 30 FPS only. Modding it back in sounds okay when there's absolutely no single difference at all.
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GTA Online: Dangerous Business DLC issues - how to fix gliding back into gta 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpDFedBqIfY#ws)
I think this proves that this glitch will ALWAYS be in the completely original gta 5. It is not a part of ANY update. So imo there is no modding by adding this into the game with a trainer so we can use the single player like we use the online for stunting :ajaja: but anyway, if you want to be able to glide in single player you can do like I show in the video. Sadly it cant work online for now .. but maybe rockstar will put it back in the next update like blizzard do in WoW updates with things people complain about in the previous update :euro: one can only hope.
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That's not a fix for the patch, you're just removing the patch.
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That's not a fix for the patch, you're just removing the patch.
Never said I fixed any patch either...but that is how you get gliding back into gta 5 for now
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how to fix gliding back into gta 5
It's the same as if I made a tutorial calling not installing the patch in the first place a fix, which it's not.
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Nice, mine and SS's comments were removed from newswire :lol:
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Teh fuck?! I guess they don't want their 'improvement' disputed and have no intentions for fixing it then...
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So... What do you guys think will happen in stunting now? Will it be like this forever and we have to adjust or wait for the pc or do you guys think there is still a chance they put it back?
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I personally doubt. Furthermore, considering silly movements in the form of removing comments on Newswire, the changes have been introduced on purpose. The question is why. Stunting performances reach the highest number of interest / views on YouTube service. This fact benefits Rockstar Games as this forum actaully promotes their product. Any video available on Machinima or any other account has more than million views. Why would you remove something what helps to obtain larger amount of customers and fans spread around the world? If you want to get it back then make appropriate movements in order to do it. Including fact that most of the posted videos is created by GTAS members, make a video showing how the game has been influenced negatively. Instead of complaining here use the popularity and try to reach the highest amount of views. There is a possibility that the message will be received by Rockstar Games as community is their target market. If the customers are not satisfied, they will lose reputation and sales. You have already become a popular group of stunters and I personally think, this is the right time to use popularity properly. I am not surprised the comments have been removed. Why would company care about two guys who display their personal statements about game aspects. The rules change diametrically when it becomes to larger amount of unsatisfied group of people.
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So... What do you guys think will happen in stunting now? Will it be like this forever and we have to adjust or wait for the pc or do you guys think there is still a chance they put it back?
1.12 will tell, anything else is speculation.
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Nice, mine and SS's comments were removed from newswire :lol:
Not just our comments, every comment from the first day. Sucks <_<. Oh well, at least you know they've seen it now, they've had hundreds of messages on Twitter about gliding too.
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So... What do you guys think will happen in stunting now? Will it be like this forever and we have to adjust or wait for the pc or do you guys think there is still a chance they put it back?
1.12 will tell, anything else is speculation.
& that means NU's next video will be delayed :( My upcoming montage (will be really good, I got two high air spots) will be delayed. & SS's montage which I heard he is making one will be delayed too :/ Just hope for the best. :D
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Sadly :(
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We've got another Machinima vid planned, just need to get permission from the artist and finalise a few things, maybe we could hint something on that. We'll have to say i was done on patch 1.10 or earlier at the very least :P
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The glory days of submarine stunting have finally begun :a-cheer:
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Just wondering, did any of you guys actually deleted the latest patch just to stunt again even if it is just single player? Or are just people waiting for the next update to come out and see if they revert it back. Is it worth it? I'm thinking of deleting but that means can't play online right? lol.
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I installed it on a memory stick like TD so I can just pull it out whenever I want to stunt in SP.
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I don't care, I'm stunting with the new patch. Takes a bit of getting used to but it's okay.
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I think I'm gonna stick with the new patch, but I have it on a USB just in case.
I doubt there will be a revert, so I may as well get used to it for PC.
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Installed it yesterday, but I'm pretty sick of GTAV (I've played like 150+ hours total).
If I'm gonna stunt, I'll do it on PC when we have stunting tools.
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You could just consider GTA V 1.10 and GTA V 1.11 as different games. Just label which one you're using when making a stunt video.
I've seen several games where people would use an earlier version to play online because the latest patch was broken. It was not cheating to stunt in 1.10 when it was the last version, no reason it should be now.
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Currently using the latest patch. I've got two stunts to land that don't need 1.10. After that, there's two big airs I'll need to use 1.10 for, so I'll probably revert for those.
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Currently using the latest patch. I've got two stunts to land that don't need 1.10. After that, there's two big airs I'll need to use 1.10 for, so I'll probably revert for those.
and that means only single player for those two big airs (which also means = traffic, pedestrians & loading time everytime you fail). Gotta hate those problems unless there is a way to use 1.10 online but goodluck though!
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I highly doubt this handicap is gonna set you lot back. You guys are way too creative and innovative not to bust the balls of any other players just getting into stunting. Not to mention some of you near 10+ years of experience, are still gonna land stuff completely unthinkable. Just saying.
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wheres my present
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I highly doubt this handicap is gonna set you lot back. You guys are way too creative and innovative not to bust the balls of any other players just getting into stunting. Not to mention some of you near 10+ years of experience, are still gonna land stuff completely unthinkable. Just saying.
This is very kind of you to say. Regardless, bike stunters have been given a highly notable problem. The limits on achievable heights affect the entirety of motorbike physics in GTA V. Big airs are relevant to the ability to wallride, because only relaxed gravity enables prolonged wallriding. I don't stunt with bikes myself, so I won't say much more. Consider the new restriction an act against creativity.
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I highly doubt this handicap is gonna set you lot back. You guys are way too creative and innovative not to bust the balls of any other players just getting into stunting. Not to mention some of you near 10+ years of experience, are still gonna land stuff completely unthinkable. Just saying.
This kinda makes sense. I think the removal of gliding is gonna hurt people outside of GTAS tenfolds, seeing as every video out there is just bigair, bigair and more bigair. I don't remember a lot of people outside GTAS who were capable of pulling of sweet precisions and such.
We have gained leverage over the Machinima tossers, but it's still a punch in the gut.
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I still don't think it makes any sense for someone who's not directly affected by something to tell people who are directly affected by something how they should react to that something. Even if you're trying to be encouraging and positive, just saying.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZHa1gkffTc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZHa1gkffTc)
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:(
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I loved wallrides in SA and VC videos, and I always thought it was a shame you couldn't do them in IV.
Now this just feels like a great racing game where they decided to remove all of the good tracks. You can still drive around but it's not fun anymore.
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I loved wallrides in SA and VC videos, and I always thought it was a shame you couldn't do them in IV.
Now this just feels like a great racing game where they decided to remove all of the good tracks. You can still drive around but it's not fun anymore.
This
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I was looking forward to Daksad's V stunts :cheersad:
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I will probably still buy the game to play it with my friends, so I will eventually try stunting. I saw myself doing some crazy wallrides like the one in your sig and it makes me sad to know it's not possible anymore.
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On the other hand, doesn't it open way more spots to everyone? Instead of people flying around like birds, people have actually need to stunt to land those hughe roofs. Before it was like landing the highest roof there is with no problems at all, now people are going to land lower roofs so the higher roofs still have to be landed, they will concentrate more on technical stuff and so on...
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That's an incredibly naive post based solely on bias, how does it open more spots as those technical stunts you speak of were still possible with gliding in the game, only (sometimes) less impressive looking from the contrast cast by the bigger stunts.
The difference is people are forced to stick to them instead of choosing the type of stunts they like to do which is not problem to you who like tech-stunts primarily but imagine if it was the other way around.
It's been said before in the topic, it doesn't just affect gliding but also wallrides, precision and even grinds as it makes many potential spots simply unreachable.
Covering huge distances by leaning back and holding your player upside down was just a small part of it, but regardless removing those method does not open for way more spots, it's the other way around.
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^ye I got your point totally
Thought I never wanted to be naive and egoistic but it just seemed to me that people don't have to put that much effort in the stunts as it was used to be in the previous games.- because of those hughe possibilities to land enormous roofes just wallriding or gliding them up. Of course it offers more possibilities for the big air stunters and the technicals aswell thats for shure but after a time it just gets less interesting to watch a stunt vid (and I do like big air stunts) where every hughe roof being landed like it was nothing.
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aw yiss
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fuck yea. :euro:
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Didn't expect it to happen to be honest, great news :D
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We did it guys!!!!! :D :a-cheer:
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FUCK YEAH!!!!!
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We're back bitches!
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You know what to do now guys.
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I still don't think it makes any sense for someone who's not directly affected by something to tell people who are directly affected by something how they should react to that something. Even if you're trying to be encouraging and positive, just saying.
Seriously Daff? Grow up. Like really.
Fortunately for you, R* said they'd be putting the dynamic back in. Whoop de fucking doo.
And to think I've been practicing my hand on a motorbike in GTA for once, looking forward to running some fun captures online with ya'll (whoever that would have been). Not if that attitude persists. Thanks for the encouragement buddy, dumbass.
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YWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESESSESEAEAfsiuegheughsesgesguYES! ;D
(http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/13284124/aview/penismountainiphonecase.jpg)
Thank you to everyone who constructively posted in this thread. I have seen confirmation that Rockstar read it. Thank you to everyone who upvoted the Reddit thread (despite those whose downvoted it), and thank you to those who posted on Rockstar's Newsire and/or Community Support. One more big thanks to GTAVStuntMen for uploading his video, and finally, a huge fucking thanks to Kwebbelkop for pushing our cause.
Without our combined efforts, this would have never changed. So much relief :D. Thank you Rockstar :euro:.
Nightmare already posted this video, but for the sake of keeping it all in one thread...
GTA 5 STUNTS ARE BACK! THANKS @RockstarGames (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LrMxlrrmq8#ws)
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That is awesome news! ;D
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You better stunt on PC now Dak :euro:.
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I still don't think it makes any sense for someone who's not directly affected by something to tell people who are directly affected by something how they should react to that something. Even if you're trying to be encouraging and positive, just saying.
Seriously Daff? Grow up. Like really.
Fortunately for you, R* said they'd be putting the dynamic back in. Whoop de fucking doo.
And to think I've been practicing my hand on a motorbike in GTA for once, looking forward to running some fun captures online with ya'll (whoever that would have been). Not if that attitude persists. Thanks for the encouragement buddy, dumbass.
Simple observation here, but you only decided to respond once Rockstar actually confirmed doing a revert, seems like you're making a statement about yourself. Take the salt out of your mouth, this is a big win for GTA V stunting.
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Thanks for the encouragement buddy, dumbass.
I see you're still the same cunt :cc_detective:
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They really care about us :o
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:happy:
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And thus ends a thrilling chapter in the history of GTAS.
The end.
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I will read this topic to my kids.
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I will read this topic to my kids.
:lol:
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I will read this topic to my kids.
You already have some. You just didn't open the god damn door 20mins ago, so they just left Norway. Bad semon, bad.
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YWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESESSESEAEAfsiuegheughsesgesguYES! ;D
(http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/13284124/aview/penismountainiphonecase.jpg)
Thank you to everyone who constructively posted in this thread. I have seen confirmation that Rockstar read it. Thank you to everyone who upvoted the Reddit thread (despite those whose downvoted it), and thank you to those who posted on Rockstar's Newsire and/or Community Support. One more big thanks to GTAVStuntMen for uploading his video, and finally, a huge fucking thanks to Kwebbelkop for pushing our cause.
Without our combined efforts, this would have never changed. So much relief :D. Thank you Rockstar :euro:.
Nightmare already posted this video, but for the sake of keeping it all in one thread...
GTA 5 STUNTS ARE BACK! THANKS @RockstarGames (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LrMxlrrmq8#ws)
wait what..is nightmare kwabblekop? ._.
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I installed the 1.11 update onto a seperate USB drive. Remove the drive and you can still stunt on 1.10 single player.
This update sucks :cheersad:
And again, Turtle saved the GTAS :a-cheer:
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YWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESESSESEAEAfsiuegheughsesgesguYES! ;D
(http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/13284124/aview/penismountainiphonecase.jpg)
Thank you to everyone who constructively posted in this thread. I have seen confirmation that Rockstar read it. Thank you to everyone who upvoted the Reddit thread (despite those whose downvoted it), and thank you to those who posted on Rockstar's Newsire and/or Community Support. One more big thanks to GTAVStuntMen for uploading his video, and finally, a huge fucking thanks to Kwebbelkop for pushing our cause.
Without our combined efforts, this would have never changed. So much relief :D. Thank you Rockstar :euro:.
Nightmare already posted this video, but for the sake of keeping it all in one thread...
GTA 5 STUNTS ARE BACK! THANKS @RockstarGames (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LrMxlrrmq8#ws)
wait what..is nightmare kwabblekop? ._.
Nightmare is nightmare, kwebbelkop's video just got posted by him. He's not on the forum.