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Title: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: FTO on November 13, 2013, 05:31:03 AM
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Hello there. It's simply a new video.

Stunters
Demon
Ruiner
Daffy(g)

Editor
FTO

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Streaming
Frostbite (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O9291PlQUQ#)
( Thanks to D.Jack for uploading )

Additional notes: Demon's p2b at around 6:28 and Ruiner's bump at around 7:05 may look a bit laggy because I recorded all the clips with the highest settings possible at 1920x1080. My HD6770 wasn't perfectly capable of handling those leaves in SAIVC in that case. No big deal though.

Full review template made by Demon:
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Editing:

stunts:

0:00 - 0:26 Ruiner :
0:27 - 0:33 Demon  :
0:34 - 0:45 Ruiner :
0:46 - 0:59 Demon  :
1:00 - 1:11 Ruiner :
1:12 - 1:25 Demon  :
1:26 - 1:33 Ruiner :
1:34 - 1:50 Demon  :
1:51 - 2:09 Ruiner :
2:10 - 2:24 Demon  :
2:25 - 2:35 Ruiner :
2:36 - 2:55 Demon  :
2:56 - 3:09 Ruiner :
3:10 - 3:17 Demon  :
3:18 - 3:26 Ruiner :
3:27 - 3:34 Demon  :
3:35 - 4:11 Ruiner :


4:17 - 4:34 Demon  :
4:35 - 4:50 Ruiner :
4:51 - 5:03 Demon  :
5:04 - 5:16 Daffy  :
5:17 - 5:24 Demon  :
5:25 - 5:32 Ruiner :
5:33 - 5:43 Demon  :
5:44 - 5:49 Ruiner :
5:50 - 5:58 Demon  :
5:59 - 6:06 Demon  :
6:07 - 6:14 Ruiner :
6:15 - 6:39 Demon  :
6:40 - 6:47 Ruiner :
6:48 - 7:00 Demon  :
7:01 - 7:12 Ruiner :
7:13 - 7:30 Demon  :

Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: STREEM on November 13, 2013, 05:31:35 AM
first
already seen demon's replays, let's see what we got here
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Dev on November 13, 2013, 05:32:32 AM
dling хули

edit:

too many saivc. almost every stunt was epic, nothing more to say.
editing was nothing special, but i like it.

 :mellow:
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: FTO on November 13, 2013, 05:40:40 AM
Streaming available now.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: PM on November 13, 2013, 05:48:08 AM
NO, JUST NO speechless
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: STREEM on November 13, 2013, 05:50:37 AM
holy fuck, instant classic, propably collab of the year, I didn't expect so many stunts here, few of the last stunts seemed like they would be finishers but no xD


demon's double grind was MARVELOUS, did you bail it at the end? meh, even if you did it's still badass !!!!

great effort guys, a big loss for dss that they let you go for sure

nice editing fto too, this one feels oldschool
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Plani on November 13, 2013, 05:55:08 AM
Great video. Sadly the soundtrack was the standard GTAS shit and that was a shame because the editing and the stunts were really cool. Best stunt was Ruiner's ledgegrind to grind in LS.

e/ and of course, Demon's double grind in LV was unreal.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: IceD on November 13, 2013, 05:59:19 AM
Brilliant video, is ruiner a new stunter ? Never seen him.

I disagree about the finisher choice but that doens't bring the video down by any means.

Demon's grind2ledgegrind was the greatest stunt I've seen recently.
GJ 10/10
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: SyperDimon on November 13, 2013, 06:09:15 AM
5:43 and 5:55 failed?
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Demon on November 13, 2013, 06:16:52 AM
failed :( fuck it !
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Turok on November 13, 2013, 06:18:18 AM
Good video, some stunts were totally amazing, others I would like not to comment because most of the guys here will oppose me. A better song could have been used for this duo imo. And that bsm in saivc that Demon landed and perhaps owned me since I've done that from a side p2b for Sanctimonium. Since I've been trying that the p2b way for like one month and my landing got pretty much the best bump I can wish for which was almost a nail attempt, you land it from bsm. How is it possible to be possible the bsm way anyways is my question.  :|
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Demon on November 13, 2013, 06:23:06 AM
Good video, some stunts were totally amazing, others I would like not to comment because most of the guys here will oppose me. A better song could have been used for this duo imo. And that bsm in saivc that Demon landed and perhaps owned me since I've done that from a side p2b for Sanctimonium. Since I've been trying that the p2b way for like one month and my landing got pretty much the best bump I can wish for which was almost a nail attempt, you land it from bsm. How is it possible to be possible the bsm way anyways is my question.  :|

because the BSM like this one is actually a double bump.like the second stunt in this video, like stevex 's the saivc insane bsm in his best of ,which streem landed it as well  :ajaja:
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Turok on November 13, 2013, 06:27:51 AM
Good video, some stunts were totally amazing, others I would like not to comment because most of the guys here will oppose me. A better song could have been used for this duo imo. And that bsm in saivc that Demon landed and perhaps owned me since I've done that from a side p2b for Sanctimonium. Since I've been trying that the p2b way for like one month and my landing got pretty much the best bump I can wish for which was almost a nail attempt, you land it from bsm. How is it possible to be possible the bsm way anyways is my question.  :|

because the BSM like this one is actually a double bump.like the second stunt in this video, like stevex 's the saivc insane bsm in his best of ,which streem landed it as well  :ajaja:

You might get a double bump but that doesn't really help since you have a short runup. The best runup you get for that stunt is from the little roof of the tattoo house if I'm not mistaken. I doubt the stunt is possible with that runup.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Demon on November 13, 2013, 06:30:48 AM
Good video, some stunts were totally amazing, others I would like not to comment because most of the guys here will oppose me. A better song could have been used for this duo imo. And that bsm in saivc that Demon landed and perhaps owned me since I've done that from a side p2b for Sanctimonium. Since I've been trying that the p2b way for like one month and my landing got pretty much the best bump I can wish for which was almost a nail attempt, you land it from bsm. How is it possible to be possible the bsm way anyways is my question.  :|

because the BSM like this one is actually a double bump.like the second stunt in this video, like stevex 's the saivc insane bsm in his best of ,which streem landed it as well  :ajaja:

You might get a double bump but that doesn't really help since you have a short runup. The best runup you get for that stunt is from the little roof of the tattoo house if I'm not mistaken. I doubt the stunt is possible with that runup.

I got about 140ft at here. who cares your doubts?
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: bLADE on November 13, 2013, 06:33:29 AM
Ruiner's ledgegrind to stair grind was sick but Demon's double grind in LV was the sickest. Really amazing.
Good big airs too like the opener and the LV's natural bump to garage prec.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Turok on November 13, 2013, 06:37:21 AM
Good video, some stunts were totally amazing, others I would like not to comment because most of the guys here will oppose me. A better song could have been used for this duo imo. And that bsm in saivc that Demon landed and perhaps owned me since I've done that from a side p2b for Sanctimonium. Since I've been trying that the p2b way for like one month and my landing got pretty much the best bump I can wish for which was almost a nail attempt, you land it from bsm. How is it possible to be possible the bsm way anyways is my question.  :|

because the BSM like this one is actually a double bump.like the second stunt in this video, like stevex 's the saivc insane bsm in his best of ,which streem landed it as well  :ajaja:

You might get a double bump but that doesn't really help since you have a short runup. The best runup you get for that stunt is from the little roof of the tattoo house if I'm not mistaken. I doubt the stunt is possible with that runup.

I got about 140ft at here. who cares your doubts?

Those who notice your obvious modding. Can we even finish one of these discusses without being impolite and unfounded?
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Caio on November 13, 2013, 06:42:37 AM
Big airs at it's best like I expected :D I agree with that guy that said he tought a stunts was a finisher but then it wasn't haha. The double grinds stood out for me, the first one from demon made me pause and go back to see it again.

Song was ok for me, not that bad but not that "i'm going to download it".

Well done both of you, it's hard to see videos like this these days and let's hope some random guys don't ruin the topic.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: STREEM on November 13, 2013, 06:44:35 AM
Good video, some stunts were totally amazing, others I would like not to comment because most of the guys here will oppose me. A better song could have been used for this duo imo. And that bsm in saivc that Demon landed and perhaps owned me since I've done that from a side p2b for Sanctimonium. Since I've been trying that the p2b way for like one month and my landing got pretty much the best bump I can wish for which was almost a nail attempt, you land it from bsm. How is it possible to be possible the bsm way anyways is my question.  :|

because the BSM like this one is actually a double bump.like the second stunt in this video, like stevex 's the saivc insane bsm in his best of ,which streem landed it as well  :ajaja:

You might get a double bump but that doesn't really help since you have a short runup. The best runup you get for that stunt is from the little roof of the tattoo house if I'm not mistaken. I doubt the stunt is possible with that runup.

I got about 140ft at here. who cares your doubts?

Those who notice your obvious modding. Can we even finish one of these discusses without being impolite and unfounded?
I suppose you should try that bsm yourself before judging dude
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Herb on November 13, 2013, 06:47:40 AM
Good video, some stunts were totally amazing, others I would like not to comment because most of the guys here will oppose me. A better song could have been used for this duo imo. And that bsm in saivc that Demon landed and perhaps owned me since I've done that from a side p2b for Sanctimonium. Since I've been trying that the p2b way for like one month and my landing got pretty much the best bump I can wish for which was almost a nail attempt, you land it from bsm. How is it possible to be possible the bsm way anyways is my question.  :|

because the BSM like this one is actually a double bump.like the second stunt in this video, like stevex 's the saivc insane bsm in his best of ,which streem landed it as well  :ajaja:

You might get a double bump but that doesn't really help since you have a short runup. The best runup you get for that stunt is from the little roof of the tattoo house if I'm not mistaken. I doubt the stunt is possible with that runup.

I got about 140ft at here. who cares your doubts?

Those who notice your obvious modding. Can we even finish one of these discusses without being impolite and unfounded?
I suppose you should try that bsm yourself before judging dude
WHy would he do that when he can just throw out accusations much more easily?  :cc_detective:
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Shifftee on November 13, 2013, 06:56:50 AM
That's some next level shit right there. Fucking awesome duo, guys! Demon's bump2grind2ledgegrind, backbump2precision & Ruiner's pre-finisher were just :wub: :wub: Sweet editing too, nice job FTO!  :cc_detective:
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: imbaA on November 13, 2013, 07:01:35 AM
Damn, That grind2ledge grind was totally beast. Good video anyway.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Danger on November 13, 2013, 07:02:10 AM
I think this is one of the best videos of the year. Almost all of the stunts were epic.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Gryzlek on November 13, 2013, 07:18:31 AM
That SAiVC double grind :| jesus fucking christ you guys are ill
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: ARS on November 13, 2013, 07:20:37 AM
Ruiner's ledge grind to grind and Demon's grind to ledge grind in SAiVC was really sick, but why that's stunts was not shown full, cuted?  :unsure: Relanded fckR's natbump in SAiVC was sick too.  :ajaja: Editing was good, WE LOVE SYSTEM. gj
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: CrazyClown- on November 13, 2013, 08:02:14 AM
http://youtu.be/3tZXpSEBvWM (http://youtu.be/3tZXpSEBvWM)
WHATCH THIS!!!


 :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: toty on November 13, 2013, 08:05:22 AM
Poor CC poor.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Max_ on November 13, 2013, 08:05:27 AM
Holy fuck, this was top notch! I was like 'no fucking way' when you locked into the ledge grind after that fence grind demon, that was incredible.
Every stunt was freaking hughe, props for you guys to pull this off!
Nice editing too, was enjoyable to watch :)
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Scavenger on November 13, 2013, 08:05:34 AM
Good video, some stunts were totally amazing, others I would like not to comment because most of the guys here will oppose me. A better song could have been used for this duo imo. And that bsm in saivc that Demon landed and perhaps owned me since I've done that from a side p2b for Sanctimonium. Since I've been trying that the p2b way for like one month and my landing got pretty much the best bump I can wish for which was almost a nail attempt, you land it from bsm. How is it possible to be possible the bsm way anyways is my question.  :|

because the BSM like this one is actually a double bump.like the second stunt in this video, like stevex 's the saivc insane bsm in his best of ,which streem landed it as well  :ajaja:

You might get a double bump but that doesn't really help since you have a short runup. The best runup you get for that stunt is from the little roof of the tattoo house if I'm not mistaken. I doubt the stunt is possible with that runup.

I got about 140ft at here. who cares your doubts?

Those who notice your obvious modding. Can we even finish one of these discusses without being impolite and unfounded?
I suppose you should try that bsm yourself before judging dude
You simply judged me before trying my stunts too. So why should he try them.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: STREEM on November 13, 2013, 08:17:37 AM
Good video, some stunts were totally amazing, others I would like not to comment because most of the guys here will oppose me. A better song could have been used for this duo imo. And that bsm in saivc that Demon landed and perhaps owned me since I've done that from a side p2b for Sanctimonium. Since I've been trying that the p2b way for like one month and my landing got pretty much the best bump I can wish for which was almost a nail attempt, you land it from bsm. How is it possible to be possible the bsm way anyways is my question.  :|

because the BSM like this one is actually a double bump.like the second stunt in this video, like stevex 's the saivc insane bsm in his best of ,which streem landed it as well  :ajaja:

You might get a double bump but that doesn't really help since you have a short runup. The best runup you get for that stunt is from the little roof of the tattoo house if I'm not mistaken. I doubt the stunt is possible with that runup.

I got about 140ft at here. who cares your doubts?

Those who notice your obvious modding. Can we even finish one of these discusses without being impolite and unfounded?
I suppose you should try that bsm yourself before judging dude
You simply judged me before trying my stunts too. So why should he try them.
I never said they are impossible XD
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: PM on November 13, 2013, 08:30:00 AM
guys, stop ruining ruiner's video
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: RedX on November 13, 2013, 08:37:00 AM
Crazy video guys! Some amazing bigairs and boosts, great job :D

Shame you both bailed your double grinds though :P
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: jooker on November 13, 2013, 09:15:30 AM
That grind2ledge was a fail, so I think... WHO THE FUCK CARES, it's became one of my favourite stunts ever holy shit. Btw, it was your real plan with the dropbump, or just simply fall down to the ledge?
Amazing video guys, I never heard Engel in a stunt video, finally someone found it  :wub:
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Kukiel on November 13, 2013, 09:16:52 AM
holy shit that demon doublegrind was awesome
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: TrYp on November 13, 2013, 09:17:48 AM
Madness, all I can say. Most of the spots were incredible, there were some weird ones but fuck most of the new spots were simply sick can't even pick anything outstanding besides Demon's insane double grind near KACC, that's like the stunt of the year so far for me. Lost one of Ruiner's LV p2b near the casinos, though good job for landing the higher part, I was trying that as well.

E: requesting a full review template, it's been a while I did one but this video really made me to rewatch it again :euro:
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Sheep on November 13, 2013, 09:59:43 AM
holy shit that demon doublegrind was awesome
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Argy on November 13, 2013, 10:06:57 AM
Beasts, rape and murder are the 3 words that came to my mind right after the finisher.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Asaaj on November 13, 2013, 10:09:11 AM
I was like "meh fuck VC stunters and their ways in my map" after I saw demons doublegrind I was like

(http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1342/87/1342874023584.gif)

That shit cray
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Rainbow on November 13, 2013, 10:46:15 AM
http://youtu.be/3tZXpSEBvWM (http://youtu.be/3tZXpSEBvWM)
WHATCH THIS!!!
 :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
I should be pissed on both of you for landing that easy building. The whole stunt is not even that hard but even landing the lower part.. meeeeh  :( Boosting wise Demon had a nice SAiVC prec on that white circle and Ruiner landed the top of those LC buildings nicely with that hop and bonk. All the others barely take much effort.

The non-boosts on the other hand were pretty insane. I really don't like those BSM's and Skimmer bumps though. Props for Ruiner on the first non-modded landing of the natbump from FcKr. And masssssssiiivvveee props on both of the double grinds that have been pointed out so many times now. There were a few other sweet stunts in this but I kind of forgot them  :P Long video so yea and there were many epic stunts in here.

The songs and editing are not my cups of tea though.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: MxZz. on November 13, 2013, 10:49:12 AM
I was like "meh fuck VC stunters and their ways in my map" after I saw demons doublegrind I was like

(http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1342/87/1342874023584.gif)

That shit cray
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

this^


Crazy asians. :ninja: amazing video guys, FTO, amazing edit, I really liked the look of it, your cams were all fitting, there were some bad points, but I really enjoyed my watch. The song was great, really liked it. And demon, god, dat double grind man :o Ruiner, your ideas were so amazing, great fucking job guys, I love your work, this video is such a masterpiece stuntingwise. I'm amazed.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Turok on November 13, 2013, 10:59:00 AM
Good video, some stunts were totally amazing, others I would like not to comment because most of the guys here will oppose me. A better song could have been used for this duo imo. And that bsm in saivc that Demon landed and perhaps owned me since I've done that from a side p2b for Sanctimonium. Since I've been trying that the p2b way for like one month and my landing got pretty much the best bump I can wish for which was almost a nail attempt, you land it from bsm. How is it possible to be possible the bsm way anyways is my question.  :|

because the BSM like this one is actually a double bump.like the second stunt in this video, like stevex 's the saivc insane bsm in his best of ,which streem landed it as well  :ajaja:

You might get a double bump but that doesn't really help since you have a short runup. The best runup you get for that stunt is from the little roof of the tattoo house if I'm not mistaken. I doubt the stunt is possible with that runup.

I got about 140ft at here. who cares your doubts?

Those who notice your obvious modding. Can we even finish one of these discusses without being impolite and unfounded?
I suppose you should try that bsm yourself before judging dude
WHy would he do that when he can just throw out accusations much more easily?  :cc_detective:

I wouldn't have thrown that accusation if I didn't have a solid proof for it. The comparison of the landing possibilities for bsm and p2b also the runup you have for this are enough in my opinion but if you guys insist I would give it a try.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Enough on November 13, 2013, 11:18:55 AM
Best chinese stunters thank you so much guys i'm so really impress  :)
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: JaiK on November 13, 2013, 11:46:13 AM
I am impressed by the double grinds the most actually  :lol:  that railgrind to bridge grind in saivc by Demon is INSANE  :o  lost a few stunts as well...and the finisher is like "why didnt I think of that?" feeling lol  :happy:  gr8 video, nothing else to say
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Simon on November 13, 2013, 12:07:56 PM
Moved to modded section because fixed VC cols

Awesome vid though, some nuts grinds in there.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: SkilZ on November 13, 2013, 12:09:56 PM
Very impressive video Ruiner Ledge grind to stair grind is really beautiful, Demon double grind in LV surprise me i did not expect to bump then grind

Overall the video are really amazing

I really liked the editing FTO did a great job :)
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Diaz on November 13, 2013, 12:52:59 PM
Holy shit, incredible video guys. All the stunts were awesome and well executed, liked the bigairs and I was happy to see some technical stuff. It's good to see that you guys can land sweet grindcombos, not only bigairs. While watching Demon's doublegrind near KACC I was like oh nice one, but no way he will grind the second..and he did. I was really shocked, stunt of the year for me for sure. Editing was also great along with the songs. All in all it's probably the VC video of the year, at least for me.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Brainkiller on November 13, 2013, 01:47:43 PM
crazy job guys :euro:


 ;D
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Caio on November 13, 2013, 01:48:08 PM
Moved to modded section because fixed VC cols

Awesome vid though, some nuts grinds in there.

Seriously?  :L
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Simon on November 13, 2013, 01:58:30 PM
^It's a mod > Modded Section.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: mehmet on November 13, 2013, 02:03:56 PM
Demon's grind2ledgegrind was the greatest stunt I've seen recently.

demons 2 double grinds were really awesome but there should have been more creativity in the bigairs imo... there was cool stuff too but there was too much too simple big airs to my taste

daffy's stunt was great  and like iceD said the G2LG was really my fav stunt for a LOOOOONG time

9/10

and FTO did REALLY good job with the editing. really awesome to see your editing again  :wub:
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Daksad on November 13, 2013, 02:30:43 PM
^It's a mod > Modded Section.
LC and SAiVC are mods, all VC stunters are modders zomg!


Sick video guys, pretty much every single stunt was good and some were over the top. I can't remember the last time someone made a video that impressive.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Sheep on November 13, 2013, 02:45:57 PM
^Map mods. VC col fixes has always been considered as modding.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: VaNilla on November 13, 2013, 02:53:48 PM
Brilliant video. Many of the stunts in this video were truly extraordinary, but there were just two stunts that genuinely blew me away; Demon's SAiVC double grind, and Demon's back bump to LV parking. The double grind on its own might have been a little bland, but that 180 spin in between was insane. It's probably the only time my jaw has dropped for a VC stunt in years! The backbump was really sick too.

Some of Ruiner's BSM's were amazing, especially when he would go way off in a different direction and land on a totally unexpected building. You both matched each other really well, but in my book, those two stunts by Demon are instant classics. I just hope that you didn't bail off at the end of those grinds. If you didn't did, that would really spoil the appeal.

The editing was good, but it didn't match the quality of the stunts. Stunts like these deserve really experimental editing to keep them fresh, so it was a shame to see such a standard approach. The splitting of both parts also left a lot to be desired. It feels like you edited two different videos in the same style, and then stitched them together without much thought.

My main problem lies with the colour grading. Shock value is really important, but when everything's painted with such a monochromatic tone, the monotony really drags the whole thing down. Nonetheless, the brisk pacing and dedicatation to clarity kept me happily engaged :D.

Good job guys, I loved it :euro: - However, one more thing. This highlights why the splitting of "modded" videos from the rest of the pack is broken. It just makes everything more complicated. Discovery becomes more difficult, and basic semantics apply false stigma to videos that simply don't deserve it. Nobody should be given the authority to dictate the difference between "clean" and "modded" stunts.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: TurBo on November 13, 2013, 04:03:43 PM
Great job, you've made a great piece of vid, with a lot of great stunts, I could complain about my taste wanting a bit more natural and a bit more technical but for no use, it's a great vid in it's own right.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: FTO on November 13, 2013, 05:14:03 PM
The editing was good, but it didn't match the quality of the stunts. Stunts like these deserve really experimental editing to keep them fresh, so it was a shame to see such a standard approach. The splitting of both parts also left a lot to be desired. It feels like you edited two different videos in the same style, and then stitched them together without much thought.

My main problem lies with the colour grading. Shock value is really important, but when everything's painted with such a monochromatic tone, the monotony really drags the whole thing down. Nonetheless, the brisk pacing and dedicatation to clarity kept me happily engaged :D.

I picked these two songs because they're really born for massive and aggresive stunts. To fit their style, I used the standard approach here which, I think, is more suitable here. There's nothing wrong with experimental and I have always been longing to try something I've never done before. But I don't think it's necessary for this video. At least it's safer to edit it like a normal crew video. Were it edited in a more experimental way, there could be more haters than likers.

I think most Vice City videos are pretty standard. Just leave the experimental to those who loves editing SA videos with Dubstep songs used.

Very constructive comments, SS. Appreciate that.  :a-cheer: Thanks to those who liked the editing btw.  :happy:

Moved to modded section because fixed VC cols

It's truly a letdown if the topic is removed here just because of one stunt. I remember there was a time when videos with more stunts involving modified cols were posted in the unmodded section but weren't removed ( probably still there ). People will easily skip this if some new videos are posted in the unmodded section.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: VaNilla on November 13, 2013, 06:16:38 PM
Not that you're saying otherwise, but just to clarify, I liked the editing :P. The song choices had nothing to do with my point. I felt that the transition between both parts of the video was misguided. The style was consistent across the board, but in my view, the fade to black created a strange disconnect between the two. When the second part starts, there's nothing to say "hey this is something new". The isolation of the two parts is what I disliked.

If it were me, I'd have tried to transition between the two songs a little differently. Maybe I'd take a freeze frame from the first part, mask that in with next stunt, and then directly cut into the next song without fading. In my opinion, this would be more exciting. Taking someone out of the experience with a long fade to black, only to fade back into what's essentially the same thing -- that feels redundant.

When you're going down the "isolated" pathway, I think you should try to make both parts feel very distinct and different. Try changing up the the pacing, the colours, the cinematography (angles), the music, that kind of thing. Hopefully you can take something away from this, but hey, it's just my opinion, it's not the bible :P
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Ltab- on November 13, 2013, 06:27:38 PM
dEMON hOLY SHITTTTTttt
THAT GRIND TO LEDGEGRIND NO FUCKING WAY I'M SO FUCKING DONE
So nuts, what a fucking shit you bailed but damn dude you're fucking crazy, perfect spot.
Also ruiner was amazing, that ledgegrind to stairs grind was sick.
Loved this video, thanks guys!
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: FTO on November 13, 2013, 07:01:20 PM
@SS Oh really? I thought you were talking about the style of the whole video so I had to mention the soundtracks. It turned out that you were talking about the transition. :lol: The two songs were a bit identical so I just made the two parts alike.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: FloW on November 13, 2013, 07:13:31 PM
I agree with SS about the transition, although it wasn't something that would make the video any worse. Anyway, I loved the editing and the songs, you improved your editing so much FTO. About the stunts, just like everyone else I loved the SAiVC grind to ledge grind, there were more outstanding stunts but all in all I enjoyed all of them. Maybe there were too many of big airs for my taste, but that's just me. Solid video guys, well done.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Simon on November 13, 2013, 11:09:38 PM
Moved to modded section because fixed VC cols

It's truly a letdown if the topic is removed here just because of one stunt. I remember there was a time when videos with more stunts involving modified cols were posted in the unmodded section but weren't removed ( probably still there ). People will easily skip this if some new videos are posted in the unmodded section.
It doesn't matter how many stunts there are, 1 is enough. Might be true that many stunt videos has gone by without being moved, but I don't watch every video nor do I intend to go back through all the videos and move the ones that do use fixed cols. In the end it's Demon and Ruiners fault for deciding to use it.

However, one more thing. This highlights why the splitting of "modded" videos from the rest of the pack is broken. It just makes everything more complicated. Discovery becomes more difficult, and basic semantics apply false stigma to videos that simply don't deserve it. Nobody should be given the authority to dictate the difference between "clean" and "modded" stunts.
How does splitting them up make discovery harder?, if anything it makes descovering this video even easier, rarely new videos in the modded section. And the False stigma wouldn't be as much the sections fault as the community. If they bother to read through this topic they'll know why it was moved, maybe even smarter if they edit the first post quoting me on why it was moved. I agree that no one should be allowed to decide if something is modded or not, as long as it is uncertain. This video clearly had the VC Collision fixes used in it, and that is most definitely a mod.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Hugo on November 14, 2013, 12:37:28 AM
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Goodbye !
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Daksad on November 14, 2013, 01:34:28 AM
I'm not denying the fact a mod was used.

The true question is, what are rules? In my opinion, it's something that was written a while ago that covers most scenarios and that lets us know how to react in a situation. If we obey the rules, the video should be moved to the Modded section.

But rules are not perfect, because their author cannot have thought of every single case, and even so if he did there are still sometimes when a human has to interact and voice his opinion, because even if it may not be right it will always be superior to following one piece of text.

When I see a video in the Modded section, I expect it to use stuff like ramps, modified handling or gravity or whatever you can think of. In this video I see great effort of using a clean game and pushing it to the limits, with one stunt where not the run up nor the bump was modified, but the landing. He never meant to make his stunt easier but just to make it look better by not crashing into an invisible wall that shouldn't be there.

A very tiny part of the video is modded. The perfect solution is to move it to the Modded section, the correct solution is to let it in the unmodded section, because we are not perfect and that's the least of credit these guys deserve for such a video.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Simon on November 14, 2013, 02:10:27 AM
Unmodded section is for videos where nothing is modified. Everything in there is possible without modifying the game. In this video, something is modified. Which is why it is moved. It's not my fault that you associate the modded section with modded handling or added ramps, and even if the creators weren't aware it is still a fact that it was used. If you guys are letting this slip we might as well start using the reality mod, remove or move objects as we please because it will "look better" or "make it easier".

If we are going to let things stay in the unmodded section just because the video or the makers "deserve it" there is no point in having separate sections in the first place. And if you are going to give special treatment to people who make good content then that is totally unfair.

A tiny part of the video is modded, it goes in the modded section. Because that's why it's there.

E: I also don't think we should discuss this further in here. Send me a pm or make a topic in the Community Council where we can discuss it further and maybe decide on new rules if you feel that's what we need.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: The Big V on November 14, 2013, 03:00:29 AM
It's awesome how lots of you don't care about VC anymore and simply let another modded video be praised like that. As soon as the majority moves into GTAV the better it will be, it really hurts to see the VC engine in the situation that it is nowadays. This comment won't help with anything but simply add to the chaos of the already wasted VC section. It's really funny how the majority stopped caring anymore. The people I used to see in the past blatantly uncovering modded videos are now supporting the modders. If videos like that are the "future" of VC and the number 1 on the awards on the end of the year many VC stunters will just peace out and many already did
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: MxZz. on November 14, 2013, 03:03:52 AM
Just ask them to post the cols and put it back to the unmodded section. It's not like it deserves to be in the unmodded section, + the fact it's the best vc vid i've seen for a long time
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: luli guy on November 14, 2013, 04:31:48 AM
why dont we just fix all the building cols and stuff and make a lot of spots possible... its just a fun video game we dont need rules at all, we are supposed to have fun, right?
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: JustCaus3 on November 14, 2013, 04:33:29 AM
No luli, no. You got it all wrong.   :)


Heartbeat skipping video guys, every stunt was nuts  :ajaja:
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Simon on November 14, 2013, 04:46:12 AM
why dont we just fix all the building cols and stuff and make a lot of spots possible... its just a fun video game we dont need rules at all, we are supposed to have fun, right?
Nothing is stopping any of your from doing that. But it's going to end up in the modded section if you do. Does the fact that the video ends up in there take away from the fun you had making the video?
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: luli guy on November 14, 2013, 04:55:36 AM
why dont we just fix all the building cols and stuff and make a lot of spots possible... its just a fun video game we dont need rules at all, we are supposed to have fun, right?
Nothing is stopping any of your from doing that. But it's going to end up in the modded section if you do. Does the fact that the video ends up in there take away from the fun you had making the video?

not really but moving to modded section is the same as throwing into the trash imo, people will think it was modded in other ways as someone mentioned before
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Simon on November 14, 2013, 05:02:24 AM
That is not my, nor the sections fault if people assume it was modded in other ways. You could always label it with what kind of mod was used.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: VaNilla on November 14, 2013, 05:42:54 AM
Moving this video to the modded section isn't really the problem. That is technically the "right" decision, because they used modified collisions. With that said, what's the point? Why do you need to dictate if a video is modded or unmodded?

It's a total waste of time. It means that I have to check two sections instead of one. It discourages people from making map mod videos, because a lot of people don't check the modded section. On top of all that, if someone thinks a video is modded, they can move it straight to the modded section, even if they're wrong. That automatically attaches a stigma of negativity to the video, one that's very hard to shake, even if it's moved back to the unmodded section.

Tolerance levels vary with "modding". Some people hate collision changes, and some people don't care at all, within reason. Personally, as long as you aren't messing with a collision that already exists, I'm cool with it. You should use it to land an building that's missing collisions, but don't use it to change an existing collision, bugged collisions, or add "helper" collisions to a stunt (like making bigger precisions).

The splitting of the two sections doesn't actually serve any real purpose. All it does is cause arguments like these, because it's so bloody pointless :P
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Simon on November 14, 2013, 06:11:04 AM
It's needed to differentiate between what is possible within the original game and what is not. If people were could label videos it wouldn't be much of a problem, but personally I think it's more clean and organized when separating them. If you decide to check one and not the other then that's your problem, it's literally 2 clicks.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Demon on November 14, 2013, 06:48:48 AM
It's awesome how lots of you don't care about VC anymore and simply let another modded video be praised like that. As soon as the majority moves into GTAV the better it will be, it really hurts to see the VC engine in the situation that it is nowadays. This comment won't help with anything but simply add to the chaos of the already wasted VC section. It's really funny how the majority stopped caring anymore. The people I used to see in the past blatantly uncovering modded videos are now supporting the modders. If videos like that are the "future" of VC and the number 1 on the awards on the end of the year many VC stunters will just peace out and many already did

now the dssers can just accuse me with nothing .every simgle stunt which is better than dss's level is considered as a modded stunt by dss member.

ok  I think I am proud to be the modder for the dss. thank you anyway. no one would be always approbated by everyone. and I think I now have enough people to support me to stunt , to land modded stunts one by one just for the DSS and to ruin the engine for the DSS.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: STREEM on November 14, 2013, 07:30:28 AM
why dont we just fix all the building cols and stuff and make a lot of spots possible... its just a fun video game we dont need rules at all, we are supposed to have fun, right?
because gavran didn't do it

and it's funny how you simon act like you actually make the 'rules' which don't exist, no one ever created topic where people agreed or dissagreed on such matter, there were only 'street rules' which were never written down, the only one I remember was about the slow roads fix where rush appeard and closed it because that's the way he thought it's supposed to be. someone should step up and start topic like that.

--

tbv neither of those stunts look suspicious so..


@figher
they shouldn't been changed just because of this video, there were a lot of chats about such stunts before so I think it should be settled right
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: FIGHTER on November 14, 2013, 07:31:18 AM
Its already ruined so

@streem, those "rules" were already here for years..and now there is video which people like the whole section rules should be changed? they were aware of replacing those files.  :ajaja:
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: VaNilla on November 14, 2013, 07:35:45 AM
It's needed to differentiate between what is possible within the original game and what is not. If people were could label videos it wouldn't be much of a problem, but personally I think it's more clean and organized when separating them. If you decide to check one and not the other then that's your problem, it's literally 2 clicks.

Why not just read the topic? See what other people think, and make up your own mind. If it's about helping newcomers, why not just add a list of the mods that have been used to the first post or the credits of the video (ie. list of collision changes, cheating, etc)?
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: D.JacK on November 14, 2013, 08:15:14 AM
That looks every kind of stunts you craziers can play use the best way!

I can't imagine you guys will be so huge like this when few years ago.

This video just like the new "MB" video of 2013 year :P

Chinese stunters just can do amazing stunts/vids always! ;D
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: DriZzly on November 14, 2013, 08:15:37 AM
u sick sick people !
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: MaCi on November 14, 2013, 08:17:53 AM
Mindblown, wow. I didn't expect to see a video like this anymore so I'm really excited :) Favorite stunt: Demon's debbolgrend. Epic big-airs too, sick job landing the finisher :D Cool editing aswell ;) Well fucking done guys!
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Simon on November 14, 2013, 08:55:18 AM
and it's funny how you simon act like you actually make the 'rules' which don't exist, no one ever created topic where people agreed or dissagreed on such matter, there were only 'street rules' which were never written down, the only one I remember was about the slow roads fix where rush appeard and closed it because that's the way he thought it's supposed to be. someone should step up and start topic like that.
It's actually written down you know.

(http://gyazo.com/7a1c1006d6c0fda72a9999771e376995.png)

(http://gyazo.com/b2d2f25c2e514d3748d93c9f1a358672.png)


Why not just read the topic? See what other people think, and make up your own mind. If it's about helping newcomers, why not just add a list of the mods that have been used to the first post or the credits of the video (ie. list of collision changes, cheating, etc)?
You're saying checking a different sub-section is too much work, but you are asking everyone to list down everything they used to make the video in the first post. It's seriously not that hard to keep it like it is, all you have to do is realize the modded section isn't only gravity mods and shit like that. And seeing as people have different opinions on this, I think that by having two sections you please both sides. People can still make videos in whichever way they want, and people can view them. If people prefer to see videos without mods they can check out the unmodded and for people who don't care they can check out the modded section as well. If anything we can change the name to "Mod-assisted Stunting Videos" or something more lighthearted to make it less associated with handling and gravity mods, but I still think we need to differentiate between what is possible with a clean install and what is not.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: TrYp on November 14, 2013, 09:12:56 AM
To all of those who are discussing the roof col-fix, I have to point out that Daffy used a col fix in his last solo and NO ONE gave a damn fuck about it, it's just ridicoulus how people can argue about that now. I'm not defending demon here don't get me wrong.

Ontopic: still waiting for the full review template  :ninja:
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Caio on November 14, 2013, 09:19:50 AM
To all of those who are discussing the roof col-fix, I have to point out that Daffy used a col fix in his last solo and NO ONE gave a damn fuck about it, it's just ridicoulus how people can argue about that now. I'm not defending demon here don't get me wrong.

Ontopic: still waiting for the full review template  :ninja:

Yeah Baby?  :rolleyes: I'm still waiting for those .cols boxxx promised everyone.

Just post the goddamn files for everyone like the .col fixes in lc and this is solved.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Sheep on November 14, 2013, 09:33:51 AM
To all of those who are discussing the roof col-fix, I have to point out that Daffy used a col fix in his last solo and NO ONE gave a damn fuck about it, it's just ridicoulus how people can argue about that now. I'm not defending demon here don't get me wrong.

Ontopic: still waiting for the full review template  :ninja:
Well, he deserves the same treatment as we give to Demon right now.
Daffy is a modder
To all of those who are discussing the roof col-fix, I have to point out that Daffy used a col fix in his last solo and NO ONE gave a damn fuck about it, it's just ridicoulus how people can argue about that now. I'm not defending demon here don't get me wrong.

Ontopic: still waiting for the full review template  :ninja:

Yeah Baby?  :rolleyes: I'm still waiting for those .cols boxxx promised everyone.

Just post the goddamn files for everyone like the .col fixes in lc and this is solved.
It solves nothing.

If everyone uses that col fix, it still would be labeled as modding.
Imagine the same situation, but with modified handling.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: STREEM on November 14, 2013, 09:35:25 AM
But it's not the same for fucks sake :lol:
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Sheep on November 14, 2013, 09:50:35 AM
Why not? It's still two files modified from their original form.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: FIGHTER on November 14, 2013, 10:00:06 AM
To all of those who are discussing the roof col-fix, I have to point out that Daffy used a col fix in his last solo and NO ONE gave a damn fuck about it, it's just ridicoulus how people can argue about that now. I'm not defending demon here don't get me wrong.

Ontopic: still waiting for the full review template  :ninja:
That was released in the WH section i guess
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Rainbow on November 14, 2013, 11:03:06 AM
...
Yeah Baby?  :rolleyes: I'm still waiting for those .cols boxxx promised everyone.
A bit off topic but BoxXx didn't use .cols there if I remember correctly. He mapped those container units from the docks into that place and bumped those. Nothing high tech there.  :P My two cents about it though, if you used other cols than in the normal VC and LC, it's modded. End of story for me.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Turok on November 14, 2013, 12:27:00 PM
It's awesome how lots of you don't care about VC anymore and simply let another modded video be praised like that. As soon as the majority moves into GTAV the better it will be, it really hurts to see the VC engine in the situation that it is nowadays. This comment won't help with anything but simply add to the chaos of the already wasted VC section. It's really funny how the majority stopped caring anymore. The people I used to see in the past blatantly uncovering modded videos are now supporting the modders. If videos like that are the "future" of VC and the number 1 on the awards on the end of the year many VC stunters will just peace out and many already did

now the dssers can just accuse me with nothing .every simgle stunt which is better than dss's level is considered as a modded stunt by dss member.

ok  I think I am proud to be the modder for the dss. thank you anyway. no one would be always approbated by everyone. and I think I now have enough people to support me to stunt , to land modded stunts one by one just for the DSS and to ruin the engine for the DSS.

Whoa buddy, two guys don't represent a whole crew. You are not a modder to all of us so don't blame the whole crew. Your post sounded trustworthy although you used sarcasm. You don't need sarcasm also some fixing is need to be done. Let me put it like this: I think I now have enough people to support me to stunt , to land modded stunts one by one just to ruin the VC engine for the whole GTAS community. - fixed, no sarcasm needed. much better I'd say ;)
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Skuller on November 14, 2013, 01:10:20 PM
"Damn so epic, you two should learn me to stunt" ;D
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: TurBo on November 14, 2013, 01:59:27 PM
Why not? It's still two files modified from their original form.
Most of us use dannye's SCM [modified] file while playing, it is in fact, modifying the game, but is it 'modding' the way we consider? nope.

Why do we allow it? cuz our sense of modding is more common sense than hard cold rules, we realise it's just a file that saves the time and as long as something can be done in theory in the original game, it should be 'legit'.

Now, for map mods, it's not really 'mods' the way we consider modding, it's a modified environment. It should be mentioned by the video makers, and they should post the file, but the choice to alter the environment is up to you.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: MxZz. on November 14, 2013, 02:56:03 PM
Why not? It's still two files modified from their original form.
Most of us use dannye's SCM [modified] file while playing, it is in fact, modifying the game, but is it 'modding' the way we consider? nope.

Why do we allow it? cuz our sense of modding is more common sense than hard cold rules, we realise it's just a file that saves the time and as long as something can be done in theory in the original game, it should be 'legit'.

Now, for map mods, it's not really 'mods' the way we consider modding, it's a modified environment. It should be mentioned by the video makers, and they should post the file, but the choice to alter the environment is up to you.
Thanks a lot for that post, really. :wub:
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: FELIX on November 14, 2013, 04:46:34 PM
hey you guys, I really don't wanna bother you in your off-topic but...

oh yes I want, shut the fuck up all of you!

great video guys, keep on producing! amazing stunts, VC still has spots... unbelievable haha
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Shingetsu on November 15, 2013, 02:51:09 AM
That grind2ledge was a fail, so I think... WHO THE FUCK CARES, it's became one of my favourite stunts ever holy shit. Btw, it was your real plan with the dropbump, or just simply fall down to the ledge?
Amazing video guys, I never heard Engel in a stunt video, finally someone found it  :wub:
Mugetsu used a song from them in Hellucination .

Amazing vid , that grind2ledgegrind was fcking unreal . some good big airs here , i like the CC .
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: luli guy on November 15, 2013, 10:42:15 AM
hey you guys, I really don't wanna bother you in your off-topic but...

oh yes I want, shut the fuck up all of you!

great video guys, keep on producing! amazing stunts, VC still has spots... unbelievable haha

yeah yeah no off-topic because gtastunting is serious business... <_<
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: FELIX on November 15, 2013, 11:36:35 AM
yeah luli you enjoyed your modding discussions
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: The Big V on November 15, 2013, 11:42:43 AM
yeah luli you enjoyed your modding discussions

There's a difference between a modder and a modder. Ruiner ruined a crew video, and ashamed the whole DSS with his actions. Luli could be a modder but there was a time when only me and him stood in DSS and he helped me build it again, but that's what people dont see and try to mock him in every comfortable situation for his past. While these modders hold ridiculously stupid attitude and are praised  :L
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: FELIX on November 15, 2013, 01:43:05 PM
I actually like luli, his last post was fucking stupid tho since the guys discussing take gtastunting serious, not me.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Foambus on November 15, 2013, 03:06:36 PM
Such an epic video! Every stunt must consume a lot of energy, FTO did a great work in editing too. I don't quite care about the section in fact. I only know that they are awesome and this is a compelling video!  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Demon on November 16, 2013, 05:14:10 PM
Code: [Select]

stunts:

0:00 - 0:26 Ruiner :
0:27 - 0:33 Demon  :
0:34 - 0:45 Ruiner :
0:46 - 0:59 Demon  :
1:00 - 1:11 Ruiner :
1:12 - 1:25 Demon  :
1:26 - 1:33 Ruiner :
1:34 - 1:50 Demon  :
1:51 - 2:09 Ruiner :
2:10 - 2:24 Demon  :
2:25 - 2:35 Ruiner :
2:36 - 2:55 Demon  :
2:56 - 3:09 Ruiner :
3:10 - 3:17 Demon  :
3:18 - 3:26 Ruiner :
3:27 - 3:34 Demon  :
3:35 - 4:11 Ruiner :


4:17 - 4:34 Demon  :
4:35 - 4:50 Ruiner :
4:51 - 5:03 Demon  :
5:04 - 5:16 Daffy  :
5:17 - 5:24 Demon  :
5:25 - 5:32 Ruiner :
5:33 - 5:43 Demon  :
5:44 - 5:49 Ruiner :
5:50 - 5:58 Demon  :
5:59 - 6:06 Demon  :
6:07 - 6:14 Ruiner :
6:15 - 6:39 Demon  :
6:40 - 6:47 Ruiner :
6:48 - 7:00 Demon  :
7:01 - 7:12 Ruiner :
7:13 - 7:30 Demon  :

Editing :
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: .POP on November 16, 2013, 09:56:58 PM
that double grind in las venturas was sick! make more epic videos man! :ajaja:
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: TrYp on November 17, 2013, 02:24:42 AM
Finally a template, thanks  :euro:

stunts:

0:00 - 0:26 Ruiner : Good opener, the landing looked a bit ugly although you have a very short runup for such a vertical bump. Props for the car choice, it was odd. 9/10
0:27 - 0:33 Demon  : Khm... higher part khm...  :ninja: 7/10
0:34 - 0:45 Ruiner : The ledgegrind was so smooth, the second one could be better but still nicely executed. 8.5/10
0:46 - 0:59 Demon  : Didn't like that, it looked weird with that distance and it's an old spot landed from further behind. 6/10
1:00 - 1:11 Ruiner : Never know how could you guys use that skimmer that way, props for the vehicle choice again. I also liked the cc and the pan/crop work at the end of this stunt  8/10
1:12 - 1:25 Demon  : Was thinking of it when I was messing around trying to find ways to land that building, never really tried it, so I guess good job. 8/10
1:26 - 1:33 Ruiner : Lost this one, though I only got the lower part, the wallkick really made it, good job. 9/10
1:34 - 1:50 Demon  : Totally weird, dunno why I didn't like that one, the airtime was so floaty.
1:51 - 2:09 Ruiner : The spot is old I guess, someone already landed those KACC roofs, maybe not with that squallo stuck but still. That grind just didn't push the level of this stunt, it was nicely executed though. 6.5/10
2:10 - 2:24 Demon  : Good thinking on the runup, now land it from a packerbump  :ninja: 7/10
2:25 - 2:35 Ruiner : First I thought you are going for the higher part. I suck at these kind of side p2b's so good job I guess, that was huge 8/10
2:36 - 2:55 Demon  : The second boost looked random on this one, dunno if it was planned or not 6/10
2:56 - 3:09 Ruiner : The best taxiboost in the video, it should have been a bitch to land, amazing. 9/10
3:10 - 3:17 Demon  : Never tried this spot nor with a p2b nor from a bsm, but it looked okay as I guess you actually double-bumped that. The precision landing also made it. 8.5/10
3:18 - 3:26 Ruiner : Again those skimmer bumps :ninja: the landing could have been better, although the spot is simply awesome itself. Might try it as well to get a proper recoil landing, it would be much better imo. Still props for finding that 8/10
3:27 - 3:34 Demon  : Luli's landing was better imo, however your bump was massive. 7.5/10
3:35 - 4:11 Ruiner : Wow that was...huge? What was the ISB on that one? 9/10


4:17 - 4:34 Demon  : As Rainbow said already, it didn't look good, though I suck at boosts but I guess the higher part is possible. 6/10
4:35 - 4:50 Ruiner : Huge double boost again, guess I'm just sceptic about boosts? well it was okay I guess. 6.5/10
4:51 - 5:03 Demon  : I liked that one! Clean, simple, precise. Good job. 8.5/10
5:04 - 5:16 Daffy  : Tried that when you posted it, it's a real bitch to land that smoothly, although it just didn't fit in this video to be honest. 7/10
5:17 - 5:24 Demon  : Nice idea again, the spins looked cool. 8/10
5:25 - 5:32 Ruiner : Madness bsm again, how can you bump those things, really. 9/10
5:33 - 5:43 Demon  : If you didn't fail the end, it would be easily the stunt of the year for sure. The spin was just some next level shit, it's still one of the best and most surprising stunts I've seen this year. 10/10
5:44 - 5:49 Ruiner : Got the same idea and never tried this one as well, maybe I should keep my habbit because people like you will land my spots soon or later  :ninja: 8/10
5:50 - 5:58 Demon  : Dunno if you failed this again, but I guess it wasn't that annoying to reland without bailing as the KACC grind, so putting some more effort into that one would be worth the time in my opinion. Still an outstanding grind combo, and idea. 9/10
5:59 - 6:06 Demon  : Next level bump, really. 9/10
6:07 - 6:14 Ruiner : Same as your last p2b, though I was trying something different at this spot, though that is impossible. The bump was really high so good job. 9/10
6:15 - 6:39 Demon  : Old SA spot, although the bump and the angle mainly are the most difficult to get, props for landing it. The laggs were annoying to be honest. 9/10 yet again.
6:40 - 6:47 Ruiner : Old spot, does the AK change anything to those bumps? If so I'll mess around some of my spots with those weapons  :ninja: 7.5/10
6:48 - 7:00 Demon  : Next level shit, again :ninja: 9.5/10
7:01 - 7:12 Ruiner : Looked cleaner than fckr's landing, well any land besides his would be cleaner, he nearly overflew that one  :lol:. Doesn't worth the time to reland imo, but well..good job. 8.5/10
7:13 - 7:30 Demon  : First I thought you will stay on that red thing, was dissapointed a bit. Already tried it after the release of the video, got some cool attempts, so I think it's not that difficult. Props for the find though, another landing on that roof :ninja: 9/10

Editing : Clean FTO style, some people were complaining about the cc, well I kinda liked it, the soundtrack choices also made it, especially liked the second song, well done.

Guess I like using "good job" :ninja:
Cheers :a-cheer:
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Cooper on November 17, 2013, 08:50:53 AM
Amazing stunting level here, demon's double grind in LV is way too much, but the fact that yo bailed ruins it
get it? ruins it xdxdxXDXxdXdXDLOlloxD Anyways the stunts are something that i would never imagine, i would like to see more tech stuff but what ever.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Rust on November 17, 2013, 04:35:10 PM
Amazing stunting level here, demon's double grind in LV is way too much, but the fact that yo bailed ruins it
get it? ruins it xdxdxXDXxdXdXDLOlloxD Anyways the stunts are something that i would never imagine, i would like to see more tech stuff but what ever.
^  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Arnax on November 18, 2013, 04:57:19 AM
I'm not denying the fact a mod was used.

The true question is, what are rules? In my opinion, it's something that was written a while ago that covers most scenarios and that lets us know how to react in a situation. If we obey the rules, the video should be moved to the Modded section.

But rules are not perfect, because their author cannot have thought of every single case, and even so if he did there are still sometimes when a human has to interact and voice his opinion, because even if it may not be right it will always be superior to following one piece of text.

When I see a video in the Modded section, I expect it to use stuff like ramps, modified handling or gravity or whatever you can think of. In this video I see great effort of using a clean game and pushing it to the limits, with one stunt where not the run up nor the bump was modified, but the landing. He never meant to make his stunt easier but just to make it look better by not crashing into an invisible wall that shouldn't be there.

A very tiny part of the video is modded. The perfect solution is to move it to the Modded section, the correct solution is to let it in the unmodded section, because we are not perfect and that's the least of credit these guys deserve for such a video.
You can't expect from everyone to accept the communist politics that rules in WH, where modded stunt is same as not modded, where modded vid is same as un-modded vid. You do not talk about the rules and whether they are perfect or not, but utterly hypocritical justify modding and cheating. Stop to insult our intelligence, create the modded vid section in WH and put all your vids there.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: MxZz. on November 18, 2013, 05:11:04 AM
Heyo, you've got no arguments, so you come talking about WH? Just leave, really. :lol: We all understood his post, and you're the only cunt that come to do his "show". Faggot.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: JustCaus3 on November 18, 2013, 07:06:29 AM
Arnax is the hero GTAS needs, but doesn't deserve.   :) 
(Had a flashback of sheeptii saying the exact same phrase sometime ago  :()

^
Actually zemoo unconfirmed this and the real medal of honor should be given to Reynolds.


Arnax for president      :cc_detective:
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Demon on November 19, 2013, 03:02:28 AM
I'm not denying the fact a mod was used.

The true question is, what are rules? In my opinion, it's something that was written a while ago that covers most scenarios and that lets us know how to react in a situation. If we obey the rules, the video should be moved to the Modded section.

But rules are not perfect, because their author cannot have thought of every single case, and even so if he did there are still sometimes when a human has to interact and voice his opinion, because even if it may not be right it will always be superior to following one piece of text.

When I see a video in the Modded section, I expect it to use stuff like ramps, modified handling or gravity or whatever you can think of. In this video I see great effort of using a clean game and pushing it to the limits, with one stunt where not the run up nor the bump was modified, but the landing. He never meant to make his stunt easier but just to make it look better by not crashing into an invisible wall that shouldn't be there.

A very tiny part of the video is modded. The perfect solution is to move it to the Modded section, the correct solution is to let it in the unmodded section, because we are not perfect and that's the least of credit these guys deserve for such a video.
You can't expect from everyone to accept the communist politics that rules in WH, where modded stunt is same as not modded, where modded vid is same as un-modded vid. You do not talk about the rules and whether they are perfect or not, but utterly hypocritical justify modding and cheating. Stop to insult our intelligence, create the modded vid section in WH and put all your vids there.


we will forgive you because most  stunts which are higher than 100 ft are modded for you . how dare you say these words as a noob
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Skuller on November 19, 2013, 05:18:53 AM
I'm not denying the fact a mod was used.

The true question is, what are rules? In my opinion, it's something that was written a while ago that covers most scenarios and that lets us know how to react in a situation. If we obey the rules, the video should be moved to the Modded section.

But rules are not perfect, because their author cannot have thought of every single case, and even so if he did there are still sometimes when a human has to interact and voice his opinion, because even if it may not be right it will always be superior to following one piece of text.

When I see a video in the Modded section, I expect it to use stuff like ramps, modified handling or gravity or whatever you can think of. In this video I see great effort of using a clean game and pushing it to the limits, with one stunt where not the run up nor the bump was modified, but the landing. He never meant to make his stunt easier but just to make it look better by not crashing into an invisible wall that shouldn't be there.

A very tiny part of the video is modded. The perfect solution is to move it to the Modded section, the correct solution is to let it in the unmodded section, because we are not perfect and that's the least of credit these guys deserve for such a video.
You can't expect from everyone to accept the communist politics that rules in WH, where modded stunt is same as not modded, where modded vid is same as un-modded vid. You do not talk about the rules and whether they are perfect or not, but utterly hypocritical justify modding and cheating. Stop to insult our intelligence, create the modded vid section in WH and put all your vids there.


we will forgive you because most  stunts which are higher than 100 ft are modded for you . how dare you say these words as a noob
And all you do is keep saying that people suck and you're so good at big airs... Listen now you little cunt you're NO ONE. At least Arnax have his own style and is doing something different than the others and also he did much more for GTAS at all. But no you're mr the best and all guys that keep saying that you mod are noobs for you but actually you're just the same modder like many others - nothing different, overall guys which already ruined this great game. Believe me I don't fucking care what do you think for me or about your arguments, I don't even post here anymore cuz there's no point of that but sometimes I just can't watch this bullshit and I can't believe what anti-people live on this world.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Demon on November 19, 2013, 06:56:05 AM
I'm not denying the fact a mod was used.

The true question is, what are rules? In my opinion, it's something that was written a while ago that covers most scenarios and that lets us know how to react in a situation. If we obey the rules, the video should be moved to the Modded section.

But rules are not perfect, because their author cannot have thought of every single case, and even so if he did there are still sometimes when a human has to interact and voice his opinion, because even if it may not be right it will always be superior to following one piece of text.

When I see a video in the Modded section, I expect it to use stuff like ramps, modified handling or gravity or whatever you can think of. In this video I see great effort of using a clean game and pushing it to the limits, with one stunt where not the run up nor the bump was modified, but the landing. He never meant to make his stunt easier but just to make it look better by not crashing into an invisible wall that shouldn't be there.

A very tiny part of the video is modded. The perfect solution is to move it to the Modded section, the correct solution is to let it in the unmodded section, because we are not perfect and that's the least of credit these guys deserve for such a video.
You can't expect from everyone to accept the communist politics that rules in WH, where modded stunt is same as not modded, where modded vid is same as un-modded vid. You do not talk about the rules and whether they are perfect or not, but utterly hypocritical justify modding and cheating. Stop to insult our intelligence, create the modded vid section in WH and put all your vids there.


we will forgive you because most  stunts which are higher than 100 ft are modded for you . how dare you say these words as a noob
And all you do is keep saying that people suck and you're so good at big airs... Listen now you little cunt you're NO ONE. At least Arnax have his own style and is doing something different than the others and also he did much more for GTAS at all. But no you're mr the best and all guys that keep saying that you mod are noobs for you but actually you're just the same modder like many others - nothing different, overall guys which already ruined this great game. Believe me I don't fucking care what do you think for me or about your arguments, I don't even post here anymore cuz there's no point of that but sometimes I just can't watch this bullshit and I can't believe what anti-people live on this world.

I never see people said that my bigairs are blalalala. though most of these guys are or were in WH . so they are not the points in your eyes. and Arnax 's style with what he has done for GTAS doesn't make any sense for accusing me in the area which he is actually a NOOB in it.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: MxZz. on November 19, 2013, 08:06:57 AM
And arnax' stunting style is to land a stunt that contain nothing, great
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Simon on November 19, 2013, 08:10:25 AM
Let's stop there shall we? If you guys can't keep to PM I'll have to lock this topic.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Luky on November 19, 2013, 09:13:40 AM
Awesome video, lots of insane big-airs that blew my mind, and that grind2ledgegrind by Demon completely knocked my socks off.

Oh and concerning that one 'modded' stunt, I believe moving the video to the modded section because of this single stunt is ridiculous. Everyone knows that the word 'modded' has more connotations and people do associate it with a modded handling, etc. which is (hopefully) not the case here, so it's rather disrespectful to the guys who put in so much effort. Hell, I bet not even one tenth of the GTAS members browse through the modded videos section. If half the video was riddled with this, then I guess it would be reasonable to put it here, but just one stunt...come on. The way it should be solved - mentioning it in the first post and/or in the credits of the video...just my two cents.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: FloW on November 19, 2013, 09:57:03 AM
I completely agree with Luky on this:
Everyone knows that the word 'modded' has more connotations and people do associate it with a modded handling

And that's a perfect idea, I can't believe that no one has proposed it yet:
mentioning it in the first post and/or in the credits of the video...
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Rainbow on November 19, 2013, 10:05:17 AM
And that's a perfect idea, I can't believe that no one has proposed it yet:
mentioning it in the first post and/or in the credits of the video...
A few already did, but oh well. It's not a bad idea, but harder to put into practise unless you force these rules.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Ed on November 22, 2013, 01:29:15 PM
If all parts were agreed to put this stunt in, it shall definitely be put in VC Modded Stunting Videos section. But what I see here contradicts with my logic. Oh well, we're already used to this kind of shit.

Keep it up.
(GTAS 2014)
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Daffy on November 22, 2013, 02:10:15 PM
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Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Plani on November 22, 2013, 02:35:29 PM
I was going to write something but this sums up everything for me.

And arnax' stunting style is to land a stunt that contain nothing, great
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: godson on November 22, 2013, 03:23:29 PM
cool videa!
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Srcry on November 22, 2013, 03:29:34 PM
I was going to write something but this sums up everything for me.

And arnax' stunting style is to land a stunt that contain nothing, great
I hate to sound defensive, and I'm not defending what Arnax said, but...

you have to be fucking stupid to not acknowledge how good Arnax is at stunting.

ARNAX' STUNTING STYLEZ CONTAINZ A LOT OF SUBSTANCE :wacko:

I HATE YOU WH  :(
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Turtle Boy on November 23, 2013, 09:05:32 AM
That fencegrind2ledgegrind around 5:30 was SIIIIIICK. Great vid guys.  ;D
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Artifex on November 23, 2013, 09:45:00 AM
The LV double grind was the best. To bad people land old SA stunts or SA spots in VC.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Argy on November 23, 2013, 10:54:43 AM
I don't mean to enter the discussion here but I can't keep silent seeing what you guys have said about Arnax. You might not like his style (which is ok) but he helped alot to GTAS, stuntingbly talking... is that a word?. People like him keeps stunting evolving and therefore alive. So the word NOOB can not be applied to him.

Sorry for going offtopic, vid is great :)
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Daffy on November 23, 2013, 11:13:25 AM
Arnax has done more than almost any other stunter to sabotage and post comments with the sole intent of pissing people that did different stunts than him off. Some of his stunts have been good, some have been complete nonsense as far as my taste goes, but he also always done his most to talk down to us, so in terms of respecting his fellow stunters and community members he's an utter noob in the purest sense of the word.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Argy on November 23, 2013, 01:43:59 PM
yea I was speaking about the stunts only, I don't know how he was in forums :unsure:
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: NEM on November 23, 2013, 01:47:13 PM
Wasn't Arnax the one who was proudly wearing Hitler as his avatar some time ago?
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Sheep on November 23, 2013, 02:27:08 PM
Wasn't Arnax the one who was proudly wearing Hitler as his avatar some time ago?
How is this related to his stunting style?
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: NEM on November 23, 2013, 03:05:37 PM
Wasn't Arnax the one who was proudly wearing Hitler as his avatar some time ago?
How is this related to his stunting style?
Nohow, just asking.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Rainbow on November 23, 2013, 03:28:25 PM
Wasn't Arnax the one who was proudly wearing Hitler as his avatar some time ago?
How is this related to his stunting style?
Nohow, just asking.
Okay, why? Sounds more like a question in which you imply he is a bad guy. Ask it somewhere else if you really want to know.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Matt on November 27, 2013, 12:18:51 PM
you guys sure like saivc, too much. vc lc parts were good
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: jooker on November 27, 2013, 12:38:47 PM
Behold, the master has spoken.
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Shingetsu on December 02, 2013, 02:25:56 AM
great video, i thought vc used a frostbite engine  :lol: oh my! Good job once again!  :cc_detective:
:lol: :lol: Next vid named "Unreal" coming soon ....  :lol:
Title: Re: Demon & Ruiner - Frostbite
Post by: Sear on December 17, 2013, 10:48:24 AM
That was fucking amazing. Awesome job guys
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