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Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Dan on November 12, 2007, 01:19:48 PM: Ive got Â£700 to build a new computer and here are my proposed specs. I will be ordering on the 15th.

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/...productId=29036 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/PCI-E/nVIDIA+GeForce+8+Series/EVGA+e-GeForce+8800+GT+512MB+PCI-E+?productId=29036)
EVGA e-GeForce 8800 GT 512MB PCI-E - Â£171.49

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/...productId=28229 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/Socket+775+%28Intel%29/Asus+P5K+Premium+Wi-Fi+Intel+P35+LGA+775+?productId=28229)
Asus P5K Premium Wi-Fi Intel P35 LGA 775

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/...productId=27972 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CPUs+%2F+Processors/Intel/Core+2+Duo/Intel+Core+2+Duo+E6750+2.66GHz+(Retail+775)+?productId=27972)
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66GHz (Retail 775) - Â£114.62

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/...productId=26805 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR2/DDR2+800+%28PC6400%29/OCZ+2GB+PC2-6400+nVIDIA+SLI+Ready+%282x1GB%29+?productId=26805)
OCZ 2GB PC2-6400 nVIDIA SLI Ready (2x1GB) - Â£56.34

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/...productId=25162 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Hard+Drives/Serial+ATA/500GB+Samsung+Spinpoint+SATA2+16MB+?productId=25162)
500GB Samsung Spinpoint SATA2 16MB - Â£63.39

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/...productId=27955 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/500w+%2B/Corsair+520W+HX+V2+Series+Modular+PSU+?productId=27955)
Corsair 520W HX V2 Series Modular PSU - Â£63.27

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/...productId=20729 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/Socket+775/+Arctic+Cooling+Freezer+7+PRO?productId=20729)
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 PRO - Â£14.04

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/...?productId=9573 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/Accessories/Arctic+Silver+V+Compound?productId=9573)
Arctic Silver V Compound - Â£4.17

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/...productId=27565 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/MIDI+Tower/Thermaltake+Tsunami+-+Black%2C+Window+Side+Panel+?productId=27565)
Thermaltake Tsunami - Black, Window Side Panel - Â£71.38

Comments/Concerns, spot any compatiblilty issues?
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Jason on November 12, 2007, 01:24:54 PM: in before brandon6199 listing all the stuff he likes.
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Skull on November 12, 2007, 01:32:59 PM: Your.. building it?

*gets hammer*
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Dan on November 12, 2007, 01:36:18 PM: Assemblying it... it works out alot cheaper
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Cdarmy on November 12, 2007, 01:38:35 PM: WTH is Arctic Silver V Compound?
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Skull on November 12, 2007, 01:40:34 PM: Quote from: Cdarmy
WTH is Arctic Silver V Compound?

I think its some kind of seringe or something..
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Dan on November 12, 2007, 01:43:02 PM: Its basically just grease that helps to keep the cpu cool, Click the link and read the description for more detail
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Skull on November 12, 2007, 01:43:41 PM: Introducing Arctic Silver 5 With its unique high-density filling of micronized silver and enhanced thermally conductive ceramic particles, Arctic Silver 5 provides a new level of performance and stability. Now available at Arctic Silver dealers worldwide, Arctic Silver 5 is definitely The New Reference.
Arctic Silver 5 is optimized for use between modern high-power CPUs and high performance heatsinks or water-cooling solutions.
Arctic Silver 5 contains over 88% thermally Conductive filler by weight. In addition to micronized silver, Arctic Silver 5 also contains sub-micron zinc oxide, aluminum oxide and boron nitride particles. These thermally-enhanced ceramic particles improve the compound's performance and long-term stability.
Performance 3 to 12 degrees centigrade lower CPU full load core temperatures than standard thermal compounds or thermal pads when measured with a calibrated thermal diode imbedded in the CPU core.
The 3.5 gram tube contains enough compound to cover at least 15 to 25 small CPU cores, or 6 to 10 large CPU cores, or 2 to 5 heat plates. At a layer 0.003" thick, the 3.5 gram tube will cover approximately 16 square inches.

Ftw O_o
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Dan on November 12, 2007, 11:59:56 PM: Wow you guys are helpful...
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: brandon6199 on November 13, 2007, 03:32:04 AM: everything is looking pretty good man, although SLI ready memory is just a waste of time, and you would be so much better off buying a pair of Gskill HZ's instead.

and the arctic freezer isnt THAT great, go for a Zalman CNPS9500 or CNPS9700, or even a Thermalright 120 Extreme if your that serious about overclocking. But the Zalman ones are more than enough.

other than that, nice build
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: ImPaKt on November 13, 2007, 03:56:03 AM: IMO i'd go for the BFG 8800 GT and a BFG 680i motherboard, Asus stuff gives me nothing but trouble, my old motherboard had no working internet connection half the time, turns out its a common asus problem.

EDIT: I have the exact same RAM and CPU as you're getting, good choice It works a charm, the SLi ready memory can be fine tuned, and with a supporting mobo, like the BFG 680i, you can indipentantly overclock CPU/memory, and still keep the SLI ready profiles running, which a lot of motherboards dont do.
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: brandon6199 on November 13, 2007, 04:54:21 AM: why would he want SLI ready memory for a motherboard that doesnt even support SLI?

...and SLI ready memory cant do DDR2-1000 @ 4-4-4-12

this is the ram you want:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820231065 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231065)

and dont go for the 680i like impakt says, the P35 chipset is a MUCH better overclocker, so keep that P5K motherboard that you picked out
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Dan on November 13, 2007, 07:59:48 AM: Thanks but I wanna keep the products from the same site and Aria do not sell that RAM
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: GT-7 on November 13, 2007, 08:36:10 AM: It looks good, good luck with building it, and hopefully it will work
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Paxton on November 13, 2007, 09:13:10 AM: Good luck with this great assembling.
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Ferσή on November 13, 2007, 10:42:29 AM: Quote from: brandon6199
why would he want SLI ready memory for a motherboard that doesnt even support SLI?

...and SLI ready memory cant do DDR2-1000 @ 4-4-4-12

this is the ram you want:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820231065 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231065)

and dont go for the 680i like impakt says, the P35 chipset is a MUCH better overclocker, so keep that P5K motherboard that you picked out
Why would you pay so much for that ram when you can get practically the same thing for $100 less?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820231098 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098)
Or you can get these, they can overclock to PC2 8500 speeds with ease:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820146565 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146565)
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Dan on November 13, 2007, 11:33:26 AM: Thanks for the info but new egg is American, I will have to look for them brands on UK sites
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: brandon6199 on November 13, 2007, 02:33:20 PM: Quote from: Feron
Quote from: brandon6199
why would he want SLI ready memory for a motherboard that doesnt even support SLI?

...and SLI ready memory cant do DDR2-1000 @ 4-4-4-12

this is the ram you want:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820231065 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231065)

and dont go for the 680i like impakt says, the P35 chipset is a MUCH better overclocker, so keep that P5K motherboard that you picked out
Why would you pay so much for that ram when you can get practically the same thing for $100 less?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820231098 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098)
Or you can get these, they can overclock to PC2 8500 speeds with ease:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820146565 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146565)

thats not the same ram. you obviously dont know how well HZ's overclock

why would the price be higher?
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Ferσή on November 13, 2007, 02:50:05 PM: Hes getting a E6750, he wont need ram speeds above 1066mhz. Paying $130+ is pointless when you can get the same thing for $100. Even not running in 1-1 anything over 1066mhz wont make much of a difference, and I doubt the HZ's will go higher then that anyways, (Maybe a bit above PC2 8800 1100mhz if you get a nice set.) although they probably are able to get that high easier. Either way 900mhz will be fine unless hes planing on going over like 3.8ghz, which he wont be even coming close to doing with that cooler. If you have read some articles about high end ram you would have realized that high end ram is quite pointless since current CPU formulas are not demanding enough to take full advantage of the extra speed.
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: brandon6199 on November 13, 2007, 05:24:34 PM: alot of people have gotten DDR2-1000 @ 4-4-4-12 with HZ's

oh and it doesnt mean he has to reach 1000, it just means he can lower his multi and go over 400 fsb and still have tight 4-4-4-12 timings
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Ferσή on November 13, 2007, 08:08:42 PM: Why would he need to lower his multiplier? What are the benefits of running lower then 8? 400x7 =2.8GHz and I hardly call that a worthy over clock. But with that shitty cooler I doubt hes going to reach much higher then that anyways. Hes got some open options as for RAM I guess. I don't think the one he picked out is that bad anyways. SLI mode will only give a benefit on a SLI mobo, so your basically paying extra for a feature you cant use, but if your getting a good deal its not going to hurt you if your using a motherboard that does not support SLI right?
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: brandon6199 on November 13, 2007, 09:32:43 PM: if he lowers his multi he can run his ram at fast speeds at a 1:1 ratio and still mantain 4-4-4-12 timings

how is that a bad thing professor cory?

and the P35 chipset is known to easily break 500 fsb, so 500x7=3.5ghz, or 500x8=4.0ghz
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Ferσή on November 14, 2007, 12:18:08 AM: Yeah, I am sure he will be reaching 4.0ghz with that cooler. Don't waste your money, and dont listen to brandon. Go with some decent $80-100 ram from a brand on your QVL of your mobo. If you want to reach 4.0ghz I doubt its going to be with that cooler. But you wont need more then 960mhz if you want to break 3.8 which is what most E6750 max out on. You need to be really lucky to even get 4.0ghz. But then again this is all hypothetical and I doubt your going to do some serious over clocking.
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: brandon6199 on November 14, 2007, 12:23:31 AM: he doesnt need to hit 4.0ghz

for example, im running 450x7=3.15ghz, and my ram is at DDR2-900 @ 4-4-4-12

the point is the higher ram speeds he can have the faster his pc will be, and he can keep his tight 4-4-4-12 timings
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Barney on November 14, 2007, 12:29:58 AM: (http://www.wowomg.com/trickpics/1.jpg) (http://www.wowomg.com)</a>
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Ferσή on November 14, 2007, 12:30:35 AM: Quote from: brandon6199
he doesnt need to hit 4.0ghz you stupid fuck

for example, im running 450x7=3.15ghz, and my ram is at DDR2-900 @ 4-4-4-12

the point is the higher ram speeds he can have the faster his pc will be, and he can keep his tight 4-4-4-12 timings
If you have read anything about ram, ram speed don't do shit compared to CPU speed. There no point in spending a fuck load of money on ram. DDR3 at 2GHz doesn't even offer a near 8% increase in performance. Its a waste of money. He could take the extra money he would save by getting cheaper ram and invest in a Q6700 or 6600. But if you look at his post you can obviously tell he is on a budget.
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: brandon6199 on November 14, 2007, 12:34:21 AM: HZ's > NQ's

my work here is complete.
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Barney on November 14, 2007, 12:45:14 AM: FERON'S WINS! K.O
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Ferσή on November 14, 2007, 12:45:55 AM: shat bat
BTW nice job editing out that part where you called me a stupid fuck, but yet it remains in my quote. but yeah its a good idea to edit your bad stuff before you report someone right?
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Aries on November 14, 2007, 05:12:53 AM: Your both truely sad for arguing about such things. Totally ignoring what Dan was even talking about in the first place.

Newegg is american, he cant get that.
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Dan on November 14, 2007, 05:20:44 AM: Thanks Aries I know most of you were trying to help, except Barney wtf how is that helping anyone. Please can an admin remove that post or edit it.

Also I wont be planning to overclock much Maybe 3.2 GHZ it depends how far it can go and still be stable. And about the cooler many people here think its shit but on a buildyourown pc site it is favourited by all the pro computer builders and has many great reviews.
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: jessrocked on November 14, 2007, 05:54:00 AM: wow, u must be a millionaire
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Dan on November 14, 2007, 07:11:53 AM: Lol? Â£700?
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Ferσή on November 14, 2007, 09:19:48 AM: Quote from: Aries
Your both truely sad for arguing about such things. Totally ignoring what Dan was even talking about in the first place.

Newegg is american, he cant get that.
Oh I was unaware that OCZ, G-Skill, or Crucial was unavilable in Europe. Sorry for the Newegg links, but thats where I buy parts from. I don't really know any good Euro sites but I am sure if they are good they will have those brands at least. Anyways Dan, sorry about that cooler. I looked at its form and price and just kind of rejected it. I was going to look at some paged reviews but I noticed you took it off. I figured if its highly regarded on a forum, and your going to a decent hardware forum and listening to the people there you should have a nice build. Sorry for my argument with brandon, but I like to fuck with him so either way I was gonna say what I wanted. Is this your first build btw?
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Dan on November 14, 2007, 11:43:40 AM: Yes it is my first build, also about the cooler the price is not to bad so I will get that see how it runs and if im not satifised I will go for the cooler you have suggested. OCZ and Crucial are avalible just not the G-Skill. If you can find some decent RAM from http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/ (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/) please post the link. Thanks for the help
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Ferσή on November 14, 2007, 01:23:48 PM: I honestly think the ram you picked is fine.
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/...productId=27958 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR2/DDR2+800+%28PC6400%29/Corsair+2GB+PC2-6400+C4+XMS2+%282x1GB%29+?productId=27958)
That is nice as well. Read some paged reviews before making your final choice. That is SLi ready as well. It wont effect anything. All SLi ready does is allows you to overclock easier because you can use the EPP profiles. Not having them is no loss, since most overclockers use Intel boards.
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Ferσή on November 16, 2007, 11:55:06 AM: Have you ordered it?
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: ApeX on November 17, 2007, 02:32:58 PM: Quote from: Cdarmy
WTH is Arctic Silver V Compound?

lube no not rly it makes ur comp more freezer fo clockin it
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Dan on November 17, 2007, 03:12:24 PM: I have orderd now, final specs

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/...productId=27955 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/500w+%2B/Corsair+520W+HX+V2+Series+Modular+PSU+?productId=27955)
Corsair 520W HX V2 Series Modular PSU - Â£63.27

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/...productId=27972 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CPUs+%2F+Processors/Intel/Core+2+Duo/Intel+Core+2+Duo+E6750+2.66GHz+(Retail+775)+?productId=27972)
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66GHz (Retail 775) - Â£114.62

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/...productId=20729 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/Socket+775/+Arctic+Cooling+Freezer+7+PRO?productId=20729)
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 PRO - Â£14.04

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/...?productId=9573 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/Accessories/Arctic+Silver+V+Compound?productId=9573)
Arctic Silver V Compound - Â£4.17

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/...productId=27565 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/MIDI+Tower/Thermaltake+Tsunami+-+Black%2C+Window+Side+Panel+?productId=27565)
Thermaltake Tsunami - Black, Window Side Panel - Â£71.38

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/...productId=28969 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CD%2FDVD+Drives/DVD-R%2FRW+Writer/LG+GSA-H66NBAL+20x+DVDRW%2FRAM+Black?productId=28969)
LG GSA-H66NBAL 20x DVDRW/RAM Black - Â£17.57

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct....=56&subcat= (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-038-EA&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=)
EVGA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail (512-P2-E801-AR - Â£176.24

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct....8-GL&tool=3 (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-058-GL&tool=3)
GeIL 2GB (2x1GB) PC2-6400C4 800MHz - Â£41.11

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct....rodid=HD-055-SA (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-055-SA)
Samsung SpinPoint T 400GB SATA-II 16MB Cache - OEM (HD403LJ) - Â£55.21

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct....&subcat=913 (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-241-AS&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=913)
Asus P5K-E WiFi Intel P35 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard - Â£99.86

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Software/Op...productId=25139 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Software/Operating+Systems/Microsoft+XP+Home+OEM+SP2?productId=25139)
Microsoft XP Home OEM SP2 - Â£50.82

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct....=23&subcat= (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=KB-074-MS&groupid=702&catid=23&subcat=)
Microsoft Black Value Pack 2.0 - OEM (S82-00029) - Â£15.26

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct....rodid=MO-005-AS (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-005-AS)
Asus VW193S 19" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black - Â£123.36

About Â£150 over budget
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Godfather on November 17, 2007, 05:11:09 PM: Big mistake buyin' stuffs some week before some new shit is coming out, but hey. Your money. (:
Title: Building a new computer.
Post by: Dan on November 17, 2007, 05:51:08 PM: Why what is being released? plus if you always wait for something new to be released you will never end up getting anything