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General => General Discussion => Computer Talk => Topic started by: BoBsaget on August 15, 2007, 04:13:41 PM
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HELLOOOOO!!!!!
I have been looking for a new computer, and now the choise is between two things:
Should I buy the more expensive quadcore so it doesn't get outdated as fast as a core2duo?
And which video card should I get, and 8800 GTS 320 or 640mb (I don't have a 22'' but a 17'' screen...... Keep that in mind) Or should I go with an Radeon HD X2900 XT!??!??!?
Please help me, and make clear statements why you think I should get what you say.
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Buy a Core2Duo E6600 , and overclock it to 3,2ghz . Quad core = Overkill You dont need a quadcore for any game a core2duo is enough.
Get the 8800gts 320MB if you play on a resultion under 2000x something If you wanna play on resoultions over 2000x something you should buy the 640MB version.
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Get an E6550, not the E6600. It has 1333 mhz fsb and the G0 stepping and it just owns at overclocking
dual cores are better than quad cores in gaming by the way.
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why the hell is a video card 320 anyways, I thought they went up in 32, 64, 128, 256...
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because they made a made a 640 MB version, and they made a 100$ cheaper same exact card with half the memory, which is 320 MB
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oh
alright
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Buy a Core2Duo E6600 , and overclock it to 3,2ghz . Quad core = Overkill You dont need a quadcore for any game a core2duo is enough.
Get the 8800gts 320MB if you play on a resultion under 2000x something If you wanna play on resoultions over 2000x something you should buy the 640MB version.
Wouldn't quad-core technically be superior to dual-core in overall performance, at least with software that can utilize all four cores?
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yes dont listen to brandon
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Buy a Core2Duo E6600 , and overclock it to 3,2ghz . Quad core = Overkill You dont need a quadcore for any game a core2duo is enough.
Get the 8800gts 320MB if you play on a resultion under 2000x something If you wanna play on resoultions over 2000x something you should buy the 640MB version.
Wouldn't quad-core technically be superior to dual-core in overall performance, at least with software that can utilize all four cores?
A quad core IS better than a core2duo That obv. But you just don't need a quad core. Tell me one game which NEEDS a quad core , so you can play it
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No games need one, but a quad-core can be a good investment and based on what you do with your computer, a major time saver.
I'm not stupid.
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What the fuck everyone needs overclocked quad core for? I'm so statisfied with my pentium 4...
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buy a dual core
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Buy a Core2Duo E6600 , and overclock it to 3,2ghz . Quad core = Overkill You dont need a quadcore for any game a core2duo is enough.
Get the 8800gts 320MB if you play on a resultion under 2000x something If you wanna play on resoultions over 2000x something you should buy the 640MB version.
I've taught Marcel well
Basically, you should only get a quad core if you want to run ALOT of programs at once, OR do some seriously heavy workstation shit, like encoding very large videos and rendering and that kinda stuff.
Dual cores are much cheaper, run FASTER than quad cores in most games, run much cooler, take less power, and are more than enough for today's games.
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get the 640mb vid card its a shit load better, or even a 8800gtx 768mb if you have the money.
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Personally, I think that you should wait a few months for the Quad core to become more refined.. Right now, the dual core is better because it's more refined while the Quad Core is just brute force.. When they've optimised the Quad Core, then that will be superior.. And refering to you guys statements about games.. More and more games are starting to utilize all the cores such as Crysis and Supreme Commander.. IMO, a Core 2 Quad is much better than the dual core IF you're not planning on upgrading for a long time.. Otherwise, get the dual core.. I would personally recommend the E6600 'cause that's the one I'm getting..
As for your graphics card issue, if you're under a tight budget, get the HD2900XT.. If you have cash to burn, the either get the GeForce 8800 Ultra/GTX.. If not then get the 640MB GTS model 'cause you just need to spend like 100$ more for twice the memory.. Much better.. If I were you, I'd get a GeForce 8800 Ultra/GTX and a QX6700..
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Personally, I think that you should wait a few months for the Quad core to become more refined.. Right now, the dual core is better because it's more refined while the Quad Core is just brute force.. When they've optimised the Quad Core, then that will be superior.. And refering to you guys statements about games.. More and more games are starting to utilize all the cores such as Crysis and Supreme Commander.. IMO, a Core 2 Quad is much better than the dual core IF you're not planning on upgrading for a long time.. Otherwise, get the dual core.. I would personally recommend the E6600 'cause that's the one I'm getting..
As for your graphics card issue, if you're under a tight budget, get the HD2900XT.. If you have cash to burn, the either get the GeForce 8800 Ultra/GTX.. If not then get the 640MB GTS model 'cause you just need to spend like 100$ more for twice the memory.. Much better.. If I were you, I'd get a GeForce 8800 Ultra/GTX and a QX6700..
X2 For sure go with the Duel.
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BTW, BoB, are you looking for a short term upgrade or a long term upgrade?
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if you have the money get a 1gb Nividia Gforce 7950gx2
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Well i'd like it to last at least as long as my current pc.. Which I had for about 3,5 years now. I don't mind taking some upgrades along the way, but I wouldn't be please if I had to get a new cpu in a year or so.
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get the 640mb vid card its a shit load better, or even a 8800gtx 768mb if you have the money.
the 640 MB isnt that much better, the 320 MB is even better than it in resolutions under 1600x1200. And even in high resolutions, the 640 MB version isnt THAT much better...
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Well, I think i'm going for a E6750, mainly because thats cheaper then a E6600 (over here it is), and because I don't want to overclock my cpu. I won't get the quadcore cause it's €80,- more expensive, and doesn't do what it should imo. A quadcore should be able to get double performence of a dual core, in theory right? And that is something it doesn't do yet.
Now I only need to decide which video card I should get... A resolution of 1600x1200 is about a 20'' screen right?
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Well, I think i'm going for a E6750, mainly because thats cheaper then a E6600 (over here it is), and because I don't want to overclock my cpu. I won't get the quadcore cause it's €80,- more expensive, and doesn't do what it should imo. A quadcore should be able to get double performence of a dual core, in theory right? And that is something it doesn't do yet.
Now I only need to decide which video card I should get... A resolution of 1600x1200 is about a 20'' screen right?
Why don't you want to overclock you cpu? If you have a good CPU Heatsink then everything should be fine. I was afraid to overclock my CPU , too. But then brandon6199 told me everything about it. If you overclock it to much , your PC won't start , and you can use your old settings , you can't fuck your CPU up.
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@BoB, if you want it to last for 3-5 years, then a quad core should be able to cope fine for that time.. A dual core MIGHT get a bit strained.. As for your graphics card, getting an SLi will leave you trouble free for 3-5 years.. If you get one only, you might need to upgrade after 2 years IMO.. Getting a SLi 8800GTS gives you about 1280MB of memory and thats huge.. But thats only if it's within your set budget... Alternatively, you can just buy one for now then plonk in another one in the next year or so when it starts gettin slow..
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I don't know nothing about computers
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Then don't post in here, genius.
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^LOL
@BoB, if you want it to last for 3-5 years, then a quad core should be able to cope fine for that time.. A dual core MIGHT get a bit strained.. As for your graphics card, getting an SLi will leave you trouble free for 3-5 years.. If you get one only, you might need to upgrade after 2 years IMO.. Getting a SLi 8800GTS gives you about 1280MB of memory and thats huge.. But thats only if it's within your set budget... Alternatively, you can just buy one for now then plonk in another one in the next year or so when it starts gettin slow..
Ph33r, many hardware professionals think that even for the long run, dual cores are a better choice at the moment. Far cheaper, consume less power and generate less heat, and they run FASTER than quad cores in most applications and especially games. The only reason I would suggest getting a quad core is if you do heavy workstation shit and encode and render and that kinda stuff, or run alot of heavy programs at once for whatever reason. But BoB wants to play games with his PC, and he's on a budget. I personally think he should get an E6550. Even at stock that thing will rape so hard, and it's sooo easy to overclock it. I have mine at 3.15 GHz and guess what? It beats the $1200 Quad Core QX6850 @ 3.0 GHz in most applications and in almost all games.
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Then don't post in here, genius.
WHO DIS..I heard the core 2 duo thingy was good get that
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Out of curiousity, what is BoB's budget.. And that's because, from my understanding, is because the Quad Core is relatively new technology (I didn't do much research on this) when compared to the dual core which has been around for a few years.. Also, games have not been made to optimize the use of all the cores.. Most of them just use a single core but that will change in a few months.. Personally, the Quad Core will bring benefits not immediatly but in the time span that BoB is talking about, it SHOULD be worth it.
As for the overclocking issue, I do agree with you on that.. But as I said, it will change..
Out of topic: Would it be safe to overclock an E6600 to about 3Ghz+?
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Lol this can be closed now, though I do want to know if it's save to clock a E6600 to 3Ghz...
I just orderd my system, core2duo E6750 and XFX 8800 GTS 320MB... The rest is irrelevant .
I payed about €1300,- for it. Can't wait till I can play with it.
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Yes, overclocking an E6600 over 3GHz is easy. You'll be able to overclock past 3 GHz with your E6750
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Brandon, why don't you post a link to a tut or write one yourself for overclocking if it aint too much to ask.. Then everybody can benefit from it.. I'll write it myself but I have no idea how to overclock..
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its not that easy to do a tutorial on overclocking, its different for everybody...
Quad core would be my choice if there were enough programs that supported it.
id say get the E6550 and the 8800GTS 320MB
Dont cheap out on ram either, get fast ram. Ram speed is not equal to the amount of MB of ram you have
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Well Maxwell thanks for the advice, but I allready orderd my stuff, heres a list of everything:
Mobo:
GigaByte GA-P35-DS4,Retail
Case:
Antec P180, Zwart, zilver
CPU:
Intel Core 2 Duo,Boxed, E6750, Socket 775
HD:
Samsung Spinpoint T166, 320 GB, 7200 RPM, 16 MB, SATA II (X2)
DVD Drive:
Samsung SH-S183L, Serial ATA150, Zwart, OEM
Floppy Drive:
OEM 3,5 diskettestation, Zilver
GFX Card:
XFX Geforce 8800 GTS,GDDR3, PCI Express x16, 320MB
Card Reader:
Apacer MegaSteno AE161 Cardreader (16 in 1), Zwart
Power:
Seasonic S12II-500,500Watt, Retail
Ram:
OCZ OCZ2SOE8002GK, 2048 MB, DDR2, PC6400, 800 MHz, 2 x
I think I'll be okay for a while.
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Whoa dude.. Nice specs.. Why didn't you get the 640MB version? And is your power supply enough to handle everything? BTW, a higher rating would have been better in case u wanna pop in an extra chip.. Also, is your RAM 2GB or is it 4GB? Either way, great work on the comp man.. With a lil overclocking, that'll last you ages..
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Buy a Core2Duo E6600 , and overclock it to 3,2ghz . Quad core = Overkill You dont need a quadcore for any game a core2duo is enough.
Get the 8800gts 320MB if you play on a resultion under 2000x something If you wanna play on resoultions over 2000x something you should buy the 640MB version.
Quadcore isn't overkill ... well now it is but later we will need it !
Get an E6550, not the E6600. It has 1333 mhz fsb and the G0 stepping and it just owns at overclocking
dual cores are better than quad cores in gaming by the way.
For NOW dual core is better but wait until the games are supporting Quad core then it pwns every single Dualcore out there
and Your wrong about that E6550 thingie the point is that you had luck on that Cpu it was fried in the middle of the other cpu's soo you got a lucky clock cpu.... maybe if he got one he can overclock till 3 GHZ as max you never know ...
Well its your opinion for a Quad or Dual i got the Q6700 and clocked it to 3.75 GHZ and its stable and fucking pwnage
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Whoa dude.. Nice specs.. Why didn't you get the 640MB version? And is your power supply enough to handle everything? BTW, a higher rating would have been better in case u wanna pop in an extra chip.. Also, is your RAM 2GB or is it 4GB? Either way, great work on the comp man.. With a lil overclocking, that'll last you ages..
Most people adviced me to not get the 640 version because it is more expensive, and doesn't do much more for me. I don't have a 20'' screen, so I don't play games at extreme high res. The more MB's only help support high res games, the rest is just the same as the 320 version.
The ram is 2 gig, it isn't that expensive lately so I can allways upgrade it.. If needed.
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Buy a Core2Duo E6600 , and overclock it to 3,2ghz . Quad core = Overkill You dont need a quadcore for any game a core2duo is enough.
Get the 8800gts 320MB if you play on a resultion under 2000x something If you wanna play on resoultions over 2000x something you should buy the 640MB version.
Quadcore isn't overkill ... well now it is but later we will need it !
Get an E6550, not the E6600. It has 1333 mhz fsb and the G0 stepping and it just owns at overclocking
dual cores are better than quad cores in gaming by the way.
For NOW dual core is better but wait until the games are supporting Quad core then it pwns every single Dualcore out there
and Your wrong about that E6550 thingie the point is that you had luck on that Cpu it was fried in the middle of the other cpu's soo you got a lucky clock cpu.... maybe if he got one he can overclock till 3 GHZ as max you never know ...
Well its your opinion for a Quad or Dual i got the Q6700 and clocked it to 3.75 GHZ and its stable and fucking pwnage
Not true, experts say even for the long run, a Core 2 Duo is a better investment for gaming than a Quad Core. The quad cores aren't even "true" quad cores, they are just 2 dual cores smashed together that share the 8MB L2 Cache. They will be supported, but the performance increase wont be as great as a core 2 duo. Wait until the "real" quad cores come out, with 4 seperate dies for each core.
and very nice specs BoB
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@boxXx: That was exactly what I was saying.. Maybe except fotr the overclocking part..
@Brandon6199:And that was what I was saying too.. The Quad Core has to be more refined for it to be better.. The only reason why they released it now was that they were scared about competition from the Athlon 4x4 series..
@BoB: Ohh.. I thought that you had a widescreen.. Anyway.. You'll have space for additional RAM should you need it..
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All G0 stepping E6550's overclock the same. There is no luck of the draw. People have gotten it over 4 GHz on air. There hasnt been a single reported E6550 that couldnt overclock over 3 GHz. That's how good the G0 stepping is
here is my CPU-Z screen
(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2149/6550ef1.jpg)
As long as BoB's new Core 2 Duo has a G0 stepping and not a B3 stepping, he can EASILY reach 3-3.4 GHz.
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^I want your computer. Congrats bob your gonna get a ownage comp