GTAStunting
GTA Series => Grand Theft Auto - Vice City => VC Un-Modded Stunting Video Releases => Topic started by: Denny on May 25, 2006, 12:10:22 PM
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Hi all!
VH is a new crew and we realesed our first vid!
So download it as fast as you can!
(TGA) .WMV (http://www.thegamersalliance.com/?do=dynamic&id=3840)
Hope you gonna like it!
:grin:
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D/ling!!
*Edit*
Nice vid, congratz VH! :)
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Downloading :)
EDIT: An O.K vid :) that Denny's wallride2grind was sweet :P
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WH... VH... WH... VH... Wasteland Heroes... Veteran Heroes... hmm... :side:
will dl tomorrow
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WH... VH... WH... VH... Wasteland Heroes... Veteran Heroes... hmm... :side:
will dl tomorrow
Youre right, sorry for the 'crew' word, but it sounded good.
:P :D
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Great video guys. I liked it... Gave me some inspiration on a stunt.
Editing: 234
Recording: 210 (seen the inside of a few bikes)
Stunts: 323
Orginalitiy: 233
Total: 1000/1337
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Wozzie's skin and bike remind me of ZeroX ;__; ...and I rly like Blade's blue bike, I was waiting for your stunts to see it ;P
a/w stunts weren't bad at all.. Denny did two kick-ass grinds. GOOD WORK.
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For a first crew vid that was awesome i liked most of the stunts but the one at 0:54 was pretty cool but i wont spoil it for people who havnt seen it yet :P
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It was impressed with how good this vid was. :rock:
Denny's two awesome grinds inspired me to go stunt...
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About time a VC vid.
DLing...
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Dloaded! Everybody was vey shit in this vid, just Denny was good(i think)! Congratz for you wallride to grind! That was very gr8! ;)
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i got a corrupt archive, ill try to download it a year from now. <_<
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liek omg....oldness...
ok ok...ill give a review..
the video has practically like 99.99999999999% old stunts, but it shows you guys have potential......keep them coming, but ffs DL more stunt vids if you wanna put a fresh video out. :)
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falcon will be pissed off and deny did one of my grind but i did it with a 540 so thats ok . i will give a more detailed review later .
edit : that was a quit good vid , some stunt from denny were cool , the editing was not that good mainly because of the cam angles but it was ok , music was ok too .To sum up that was cool vid great job veterans heroes ;) .
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Editing was not all that great in this one. A lot of the camera angles were pretty bad. The stunts......well i have nothing against "older" stunts really so considering this is a first vid they were not to bad at all. Noy a bad piece of work guys.......6/10
Oh now to my only real bitch........
The creds......where have I seen that before? <_< Not that usin someone else's idea is all that bad but to use the soundtrack from Stupidman and yes I heard myself scream at the end :side: could have atleast said thanks Neo or downloaded the damn song yourselves.
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Dling.... ;)
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Really good video. I didn't find the tricks old at all, and the wallride to grind I wouldn't have thought was possible. You're a real good stunter Denny, as is Species with that neat bridge glass grind 360 out.
I'de like to hear better music however :P
Good effort: 9/10
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Oh now to my only real bitch........
The creds......where have I seen that before? <_< Not that usin someone else's idea is all that bad but to use the soundtrack from Stupidman and yes I heard myself scream at the end :side: could have atleast said thanks Neo or downloaded the damn song yourselves.
Now that is low
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Sorry, but i didn't like the vid at all. Almost all stunts were old with the exception of a couple of really weak ones. I liked only 2 Denny's stunts - wallride2grind(too bad it was bailed... at least it looked like it was) and bsm2bb. Editing wasn't good too, the song has a very good potential and you can edit a vid great with that song but you didn't...
And not only the crew name was similar to WH but also that borders.
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DENNY!!!!!
WHY YOU STOLE MY FUCKING WALLRIDE 2 GRIND.....
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll NEVER SHOW YOU A STUNT OF ME AGAIN................
AND YOU DIDN'T COMPLETE THE RAIL.....
MAN WHY!!! FUCKING !!!!
I ALWAYS SAID you're not a modder.
AND THIS IS YOU'RE KIND OF THANKS??
MAN I CAN KILL YOU
BAN ME IF YOU WANT I DON'T FUCKING CARE ANYMORE
[04:02:17 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: hi
[04:02:17 PM] Falcon auto-message: BRB
[04:02:31 PM] * Falcon heeft zijn/haar status gewijzigd in: Online
[04:02:33 PM] Falcon: ey
[04:02:56 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: got cools stuff :):):P
[04:02:59 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: ?
[04:03:06 PM] Falcon: yes
[04:03:09 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: :D
[04:03:12 PM] Falcon: wanna see?
[04:03:20 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: :D yes
[04:03:27 PM] Falcon: k
[04:03:31 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: send me
[04:03:34 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: De overdracht van "W00T" is voltooid.
[04:04:06 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: Watching
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Doownlooaadiing.... :)
**edit later**
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Hmm.. Denny is too good for these guyes :P
specially i dont like the border it was too big...
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Mehish vid, lots of old stuff, some cool stunts though.
Shame on you Denny for stealing Falcon's stunt. :nono:
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DENNY!!!!!
WHY YOU STOLE MY FUCKING WALLRIDE 2 GRIND.....
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll NEVER SHOW YOU A STUNT OF ME AGAIN................
AND YOU DIDN'T COMPLETE THE RAIL.....
MAN WHY!!! FUCKING !!!!
I ALWAYS SAID you're not a modder.
AND THIS IS YOU'RE KIND OF THANKS??
MAN I CAN KILL YOU
BAN ME IF YOU WANT I DON'T FUCKING CARE ANYMORE
[04:02:17 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: hi
[04:02:17 PM] Falcon auto-message: BRB
[04:02:31 PM] * Falcon heeft zijn/haar status gewijzigd in: Online
[04:02:33 PM] Falcon: ey
[04:02:56 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: got cools stuff :):):P
[04:02:59 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: ?
[04:03:06 PM] Falcon: yes
[04:03:09 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: :D
[04:03:12 PM] Falcon: wanna see?
[04:03:20 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: :D yes
[04:03:27 PM] Falcon: k
[04:03:31 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: send me
[04:03:34 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: De overdracht van "W00T" is voltooid.
[04:04:06 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: Watching
Use the stunt :) Many people have not landed the palm2billboard in Lil Havana, but when Daffy landed it in Doperide 2, he got the recognition. USE IT DAMN IT.
Shame on you Denny. I should change my name just not to be confused with you :saywhat: Some how you remind me of a low-down cheating punk... He got like 2-3 chances to improve himself and he fucked it all up. Some people still think he still mods now... not gonn say who it is though. You have completely ruined your reputation.
Rant over. I may download the vid if I want to even see it.
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Stunt stealing is gay. Your gay denny.
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[04:04:06 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: Watching
Use the stunt :) Many people have not landed the palm2billboard in Lil Havana, but when Daffy landed it in Doperide 2, he got the recognition. USE IT DAMN IT.
[/quote]
I will still use it
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[04:04:06 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: Watching
Use the stunt :) Many people have not landed the palm2billboard in Lil Havana, but when Daffy landed it in Doperide 2, he got the recognition. USE IT DAMN IT.
I will still use it [/quote]
Yay, hehe :P I'll say its a new stunt if I don't download this vid. 50% chance of downloading this vid :P
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Stunt stealing is gay. Your gay denny.
X2.
I know I was wrong about when I accused you of modding, and you were starting to get my respect again but this has burned all your bridges. If you KNOW someone did a stunt because they showed it, don't use it. Let them inspire you but never use it, it's just a sign of respect towards the one who did it. You lack that respect, therefor I lack any respect towards you.
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Stunt stealing is gay. Your gay denny.
X2.
I know I was wrong about when I accused you of modding, and you were starting to get my respect again but this has burned all your bridges. If you KNOW someone did a stunt because they showed it, don't use it. Let them inspire you but never use it, it's just a sign of respect towards the one who did it. You lack that respect, therefor I lack any respect towards you.
I dind't accuse him of modding so I'm not wrong :D So now it means that I can accuse him any way I want :ph34r:
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denny, so thats the way to treat Falcon after defending you. :nono:
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wow...you really cant hide from that shit, you know someones bound to find out, and we did. Shame on you dude
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Shame on you denny, for lieing to ppl.. Falcon was defended you from modding, and this is your kind of thx?
Ah man, you screwed up everything now.. :side:
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Denny, you suck-diddly-uck, ya wee rat-bastard.
About to watch the vid now - but you stole a mate's stunt, so I'm gonna give you absolute hell from now on, mmk?
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:lol:
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ohm... ehm... (ok....)
Edit: 4.6/10 (?Edited by AsWA?)
Stunts: 6/10 (denny stunts ok...)
Music: 7/10
Sorry guys but...17.6/30 not bad...
:(
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i dont want to defend myself but Falcon is a lier because he didnt send me any stunts.
the only person from the USS who sent me some stunts was Question but it didnt include
any grinds :side: :side:
Falcon u cant lie well because i didnt write u anything like this.
and look at my name: Denn? <_<
he left the "y"....
its your choice if u believe me or not but i think i gonna stop stunting because i bored
of u always say that im a MODDER/Cheater or i steal someones stunt...
THX FALCON
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nah, he didn't mean that you stole his rep.
he meant that you stole his idea, which is just as lame.
:nono:
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ZS says:
you're stupid? :S
Denny.Még nem tom hogy ki says:
yes...
:lol:
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ZS says:
you're stupid? :S
Denny.Még nem tom hogy ki says:
yes...
:lol:
yes!!!
im realy stupid coz u made me stupid...
there are some exceptions...
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about the denn I guess it is something in my history of msn that they don't show the whole name
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about the denn I guess it is something in my history of msn that they don't show the whole name
i should say the same if i were u....
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do i need to make a printscreen?
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DENNY!!!!!
WHY YOU STOLE MY FUCKING WALLRIDE 2 GRIND.....
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll NEVER SHOW YOU A STUNT OF ME AGAIN................
AND YOU DIDN'T COMPLETE THE RAIL.....
MAN WHY!!! FUCKING !!!!
I ALWAYS SAID you're not a modder.
AND THIS IS YOU'RE KIND OF THANKS??
MAN I CAN KILL YOU
BAN ME IF YOU WANT I DON'T FUCKING CARE ANYMORE
[04:02:17 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: hi
[04:02:17 PM] Falcon auto-message: BRB
[04:02:31 PM] * Falcon heeft zijn/haar status gewijzigd in: Online
[04:02:33 PM] Falcon: ey
[04:02:56 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: got cools stuff :):):P
[04:02:59 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: ?
[04:03:06 PM] Falcon: yes
[04:03:09 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: :D
[04:03:12 PM] Falcon: wanna see?
[04:03:20 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: :D yes
[04:03:27 PM] Falcon: k
[04:03:31 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: send me
[04:03:34 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: De overdracht van "W00T" is voltooid.
[04:04:06 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: Watching
isnt it strange that i wrote it at [04:02:17 PM] ... ?:side:
and am i german? :saywhat: [04:03:34 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: De overdracht van "W00T" is voltooid.
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*gets pop corn*
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DENNY!!!!!
WHY YOU STOLE MY FUCKING WALLRIDE 2 GRIND.....
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll NEVER SHOW YOU A STUNT OF ME AGAIN................
AND YOU DIDN'T COMPLETE THE RAIL.....
MAN WHY!!! FUCKING !!!!
I ALWAYS SAID you're not a modder.
AND THIS IS YOU'RE KIND OF THANKS??
MAN I CAN KILL YOU
BAN ME IF YOU WANT I DON'T FUCKING CARE ANYMORE
[04:02:17 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: hi
[04:02:17 PM] Falcon auto-message: BRB
[04:02:31 PM] * Falcon heeft zijn/haar status gewijzigd in: Online
[04:02:33 PM] Falcon: ey
[04:02:56 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: got cools stuff :):):P
[04:02:59 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: ?
[04:03:06 PM] Falcon: yes
[04:03:09 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: :D
[04:03:12 PM] Falcon: wanna see?
[04:03:20 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: :D yes
[04:03:27 PM] Falcon: k
[04:03:31 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: send me
[04:03:34 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: De overdracht van "W00T" is voltooid.
[04:04:06 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: Watching
isnt it strange that i wrote it at [04:02:17 PM] ... ?:side:
and am i german? :saywhat: [04:03:34 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: De overdracht van "W00T" is voltooid.
For your information, it's Dutch and Falc uses a Dutch version of MSN, tht's why it says "de overdracht van "W00T' is voltooid.", as well as for "Falcon heeft zijn/haar status gewijzigd in: Online".
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Downloading.
Yeah.
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I've looked into this a fair bit - the way I see it there is no conclusive evidence available to say Denny stole Falcon's stunt idea. A saved notepad convo (which isn't strong evidence, it's short and could be argued that it's been typed up from scratch) is all the evidence available. Nothing can properly be proven in my opinion.
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I don't think we should continue bickering over what we already know.
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DENNY!!!!!
WHY YOU STOLE MY FUCKING WALLRIDE 2 GRIND.....
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll NEVER SHOW YOU A STUNT OF ME AGAIN................
AND YOU DIDN'T COMPLETE THE RAIL.....
MAN WHY!!! FUCKING !!!!
I ALWAYS SAID you're not a modder.
AND THIS IS YOU'RE KIND OF THANKS??
MAN I CAN KILL YOU
BAN ME IF YOU WANT I DON'T FUCKING CARE ANYMORE
[04:02:17 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: hi
[04:02:17 PM] Falcon auto-message: BRB
[04:02:31 PM] * Falcon heeft zijn/haar status gewijzigd in: Online
[04:02:33 PM] Falcon: ey
[04:02:56 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: got cools stuff :):):P
[04:02:59 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: ?
[04:03:06 PM] Falcon: yes
[04:03:09 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: :D
[04:03:12 PM] Falcon: wanna see?
[04:03:20 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: :D yes
[04:03:27 PM] Falcon: k
[04:03:31 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: send me
[04:03:34 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: De overdracht van "W00T" is voltooid.
[04:04:06 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: Watching
isnt it strange that i wrote it at [04:02:17 PM] ... ?:side:
and am i german? :saywhat: [04:03:34 PM] >>WCG<< Denn: De overdracht van "W00T" is voltooid.
For your information, it's Dutch and Falc uses a Dutch version of MSN, tht's why it says "de overdracht van "W00T' is voltooid.", as well as for "Falcon heeft zijn/haar status gewijzigd in: Online".
it isnt auto message...
but if it is auto message(its impossible)if u dont know the auto message says what u
written and it doesnt translate it to your language...
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wanna make me again print screen????
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Um...this video was kind of a rip-off. Old music, old stunts, stolen song at the end, ripped off border, ripped off crew name, stolen stunts...Sorry I just didn't like it much.
And the two high points of the video was the wallride2grind, which doesn't look like it finished properly, and the backwards BSM to BB...why on Earth didn't you show more of that stunt? If a stunt is good, don't fast forward through it to make people go back to figure out what it is. Slow it up a bit, make it dramatic, maybe give it other views, to the point where the viewer knows exactly the crazy shit you've just done. Most of the editing was ridiculously fast forward too, making it hard to view the stunts.
I hope you guys fix your originality problem and improve on better editing. =\
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*gets pop corn*
*steals pop corn* :lol:
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*gets pop corn*
*steals pop corn* :lol:
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL :lol:
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Good job guys.
But the music wasn't that good thO.
Anyways, great job!
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*gets pop corn*
*steals pop corn* :lol:
:angry:
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* gets new popcorn for Nitz *
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Damn, bad reviews, i would have quit stunting if this happened to me.
*HINT* :P *HINT*
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Some wicked airgrabs and good stunts like the wallride2grind, but otherwise this is quite a weak debut vid IMO...
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Denny dont defend yourself from steeling a stunt, just say that u stoled the stunt and everything is gonna be fine. But otherwise... :side: Everybody is gonna turn away from you..
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@ 4:16 - modded? :unsure:
@ 3:15 - kinda looked grav modded or some shit since your front wheel went deep into that wall <_<
@ credits - Stupidman - credit song, I heard Neo's scream too <_<
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Well, if you didn't see Falcon's stunt and went to try it, you stole from Neo and fucked up even more of your rep.
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Modded.
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Stunts - 7.5/10 Some weak, some good. Most were weak.. AND OLD!
0.19 - Done by Brainkiller in Destiny.
0.26 - Done by Lord Peres with a krail in XXL and NoAPOlogies without a krail in one of his three solos (Convection I believe)
0.33 - Rofl.
0.39 - Done by Enigma on Tombstone. Also done by 28 on Faschia, without a krail unlike Enigma's Still a nice stunt
0.44 - I don't really get the point of this stunt
0.48 - Done by Buzzsaw on A View to a Stunt I believe with a sanchez. Great stunt btw.
0.54 - Fucking pwnage spin on rail. Even though it was stoppied 2 grinded 3 times (by finallight in Betrayal, WEREWOLF in Evolution and 28 with an airgrab in System) Too bad you bailed.
0.56 - Hmm.. pick-up airgrab over rail..
0.59 - Nice one. You can get there by bump, but considering the distance, its pwnage,
1.04 - Lovely. Short roof to stop on :P
1.09 - Done by Taclite in Partners in Crime, but still a nice stunt.
1.23 - Done by Barney in Carnage II
1.30 - Done by Neo in Overdrive.
Done by Southern Finest to the higher roof in One of a Kind
1.35 - If it isn't gapped, the stunt suck, even if you landed on the ramp.
ALSO BSM 2 grinded by The Antidote in Fiend.
1.41 - Done by Matt in Fusion and also landed and grinded more.
1.44 - Nice BSM.
1.50 - Done by Kaneda in dysfuntional with an extra stoppie2corkscrew combo.
Done by Prankster in the credits of The Heroes Return Liberty City
Done by WEREWOLF in Constant Exhibition with extra 360.
Done by me and waiting for annihalation of the replay. Its not that hard anyway, did it in like probably around 1-2 hours without using trainers/mods/anything
1.56 - Done by NightKnight in Hatred.
2.00 - Stunt stealer <_<
2.08 - Done shitloads of times in n00b vids (No offence B-ware crew :P) and is VERY easy.
2.20 - Done by Banzai in Tombstone, and also he did not slide off the roof.
2.27 - I wouldn't ay that its old, but its pretty easy, sorry :(
2.30 - Done by Samurai in Innovation.
Done by Au{R}on with curbbump in some vid I can't remember.
Done by 28 with a sanchez and a landing on a coach with a stucky sanchez stoppie afterward in Fashcia.
AND FURTHERMORE, done by me around 5-6 times in probably 2 hours, without trainers, mods, whatever.
2.39 - :o Great high precision stunt :o A backwawrds BSM 2 billboard.. pwnage.
2.42 - Done by Demonfade in Theory
Done by Taclite in either Bloodline or Doperide.
Also done by me and gave up trying to do a stoppie 2 360 with that packerbump.
2.49 - I don't like airgrabs. Those that aren't special like delay airgrabs anyway.
2.51 - Too easy. Atleast superspining off the ledge would be better.
The superspin off hte ledge is also done by:
ZeroX in Zero Hour 2
Brad in Shallow Bay
2.55 - Done by Daffy in The Heroes Return Libery City with shitloads more rotation.
Done by Turtle Dick in So What I htink with a freeway.
2.58 - I was expecting a stoppie, anyway, nice packerbump.
3.04 - Lmfao. Nitzkit did it to the top ledge. I did it 2-3 times and thought it was a filler so threw it away
3.07 - Damn, I need to name all those stunters that did this stunt..
Done by MorTon in Untouchables.
Done by Sweet in Death.
Done by many more.
3.14 - BSM to pick-up airgrab, hah, thats original. Nice one for doing the first of that kind.
3.21 - Done by Barney in Hard Act to Follow
Done by Madman in The Heroes Return Liberty City.
3.24 - Done by Barney in Meet the Wretched with the packer closer the the rail and grinded the whole rail after the bump.
Done by Barney with a krail in Shadow Zone
Done by Daffy with some kind of stuff like that in Opposide
Done by Turtle dick with packer closer to rail in Exhilaration
Done by Daffy with corkscrew in Blackout 2
Done by Samurai with corkscrew in Mut8tion
I'm not gonna name those who did the curbbump lol.
3.39 - Done by Dannye in Found with more rotation. I don't like bonks.
3.46 - Hmm.. not sure if this si done by MorTon in the Game, but good BSM anyway.
3.49 - Done by Ramboy in some vid I don't remember.
Done by Nitzkit in Underground and slid off
Done by Nitzkit in Underground 2 and slid off
lol
3.55 - Done by Lord Peres with krail, I SAID KRAIL!, in Lost Stunts.
4.02 - Done by Taclite in either Doperide or Bloodlines
4.06 - Done by Nitzkit shitloads of times in Underground.
Done by Akuma with a krail in his solo vid, Unspeakable I think
Done by me in Radiance with a freeway
Done by Kingjad with a freeway and lost his stunt because I did it and put it in a video first.
Sorry Kingjad :(
4.09 - Wtf, bad camera angles. Satisfactory BSM.
4.11 - Done by ZeroX on the other side in Animosity
Done by m3rrix on this side in Haunted I think
4.16 - I do not like packers on roofs. THEREFORE I am not rating this stunt.
4.21 - Hehe, reminds me of Neo's bump in 5ive :) Nice one.
4.25-4.31 - Fuck my eyes are bleeding. J/k, I don't like AGs.
4.32 - Done by ZeroX in Zero Hour
Done by Barney in Vice City : Last Ride
Done by kaneda to the farther roof in RPM
Done by ZeroX to the farther roof in Disciples
Done by Torque in either Survive or Paranoia
Music - 7/10 Music is old. Points off for stealing from Neo
Editing - 5/10 The camera angles were annoying, stunts start too quickly sometimes, you spelled Obsessions wrong in the credits, even thought the name of the damn song isn't obsessions, but between angels and insects, and furthermore,
[span style=\'color:red\'][span style=\'font-size:19pt;line-height:100%\']YOU FUCKING STOLE FROM NEO IN THE CREDITS[/span][/span]
Overall - around 6.5/10 Aint going into my videos playlist, sorry, and for everyone that worked hard in this video, good job, your determinati onwill not be forgotted :) (Excpet for Denny <_<)
You better not be fucking insulting me for wasting my time thinking and writing a full review for a long time about how many old stunts were there.
EDIT 1 : Made The Neo thing larger
EDIT 2 : Added more done bys
EDIT 3 : Added the fucking insulting me for wasting my time writing a ful lreview crap
EDIT 4 : Added more stuff in the editing part about the wrong name of hte song
EDIT 5 : Removed the Apotheosis thing
EDIT 6 : Hehe, added a couple more more "done bys" and edited a video name thanks to WEREWOLF :P
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Eh...Kenny...nobody did that stunt in Apotheosis.:unsure:
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Eh...Kenny...nobody did that stunt in Apotheosis.:unsure:
Uhh.. are you sure? Btw, can you upload a high quality version of Apotheosis to TGA please? :P I have only this 30 MB one
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I might do that...
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I might do that...
Yay! Thanks in advance
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http://tgahq.com/?do=dynamic&id=3289 (http://tgahq.com/?do=dynamic&id=3289)
It's already there actually. O_o
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Downloafing?
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agree with almost every Kenny's word :P
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Well. 28 and Denny is the best hungarian stunters. Congratz.
Ja, és a VH meg se érdemli, h olyan tag legyen köztük, mint Denny. Őőő, aswa, az present, nem persent + akft, megálltál a fejlődésbe?