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GTAStunting Leagues => Past Stunt Leagues => GTAStunting League - Vice City => GTASL 1 => Topic started by: kr3mlin on November 02, 2005, 08:19:02 PM
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I made this topic cos i couldnt do so in the stunt league section. I figured people could post suggestions for (hopefully) future stunt league tournaments, what they liked about the first, what they didnt like etc
I had an idea to help prevent people using stunts already landed that happend to fit the challenge criteria suggested, although this was not really an issue in the first competition a safeguard would still be nice. Basically for each challenge the participants must use a custom carcols.dat created for that challenge...eg such as making all vehicles a single colour, this would mean any stunts landed would need to be done with vehicles that are the 'challenge' colour
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ya, i didnt really have many problems with them, and what if the stunt they landed happenede to be in the same colour? And i don't think they should have another GTASL for atleast awhile....
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That's a nice idea.
I think all challenge ideas should be made up before the first one takes place, and have maybe like 5 extra challenge ideas incase something happens.
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I personally would like to see a league with conferences and divisions. Every stunter (max of about 30) would compete once a week for maybe 10-12 weeks (10-12 matches each stunter).
We could set up the matches in the same way we did for the GTASL except we would have the public judge each match (<_< I worry about favoritism and other bullshit) or get a panel of judges and assign one match to three of them (so each match would have three judges, but they won''t be the same for all matches that week).
I like this so that everyone gets to compete a bunch of times instead of just once like half of the participants in the GTASL did.
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Nice suggestion kr3m, but I know a way to change the colour of vehicles in old replays.
Noapologies, do you mean like everyone has a certain amount of matches and than the person with the most wins at the end is the winner? I think that would be a cool idea.
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I had an idea to help prevent people using stunts already landed that happend to fit the challenge criteria suggested, although this was not really an issue in the first competition a safeguard would still be nice. Basically for each challenge the participants must use a custom carcols.dat created for that challenge...eg such as making all vehicles a single colour, this would mean any stunts landed would need to be done with vehicles that are the 'challenge' colour
Another option is to verify the creation date of the replay.rep files by the judges.
Or can that be influenced by adjusting the time/date-settings in Windows?
[edit] Hey! 100 posts!
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I had an idea to help prevent people using stunts already landed that happend to fit the challenge criteria suggested, although this was not really an issue in the first competition a safeguard would still be nice. Basically for each challenge the participants must use a custom carcols.dat created for that challenge...eg such as making all vehicles a single colour, this would mean any stunts landed would need to be done with vehicles that are the 'challenge' colour
Another option is to verify the creation date of the replay.rep files by the judges.
Or can that be influenced by adjusting the time/date-settings in Windows?
Not too sure about changing the windows time and date, but I'm sure there would be a program out there somewhere which would edit the modified date of a file for you.
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I had an idea to help prevent people using stunts already landed that happend to fit the challenge criteria suggested, although this was not really an issue in the first competition a safeguard would still be nice. Basically for each challenge the participants must use a custom carcols.dat created for that challenge...eg such as making all vehicles a single colour, this would mean any stunts landed would need to be done with vehicles that are the 'challenge' colour
Another option is to verify the creation date of the replay.rep files by the judges.
Or can that be influenced by adjusting the time/date-settings in Windows?
Not too sure about changing the windows time and date, but I'm sure there would be a program out there somewhere which would edit the modified date of a file for you.
Yeah prob.
Although ppl would go through alot of trouble cheating the competition.
I can't think of another solution for this matter, other than posting some very original challenges.
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I want a tourney with a losers bracket, for the noobs like me :P
Can't you tell if someone steals a stunt? If it's performed EXACTLY the same way as someone elses, then it's cheating.
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I like the idea of a running competition like some actual league with a ladder etc. As long as you can have regular competitiors and judges it would be sweet....
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Noapologies, do you mean like everyone has a certain amount of matches and than the person with the most wins at the end is the winner? I think that would be a cool idea.
I was thinking of a playoff system for those with the best records. If we could get two conferences with 12-18 stunters we could do a playoff with 6-8 stunters in each conference. That way you still have the drama of the last GTASL and everyone gets to participate a bunch of times.
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It would take a long time but it would work much nicer. It would actually help improve the skills of the needy instead of just fine tune those who already have them.
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All good ideas, I moved the topic for ya Kr3m.
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Good ideas!
Maybe this time there should be seperate SA and VC/LC competitions...
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Good ideas!
Maybe this time there should be seperate SA and VC/LC competitions...
Yeah, that is definately one thing which has to be changed.
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Not too sure about changing the windows time and date, but I'm sure there would be a program out there somewhere which would edit the modified date of a file for you.
You don't need a program for that, you can do it by right click on the file and add a comment as well :P
But the created date will still remain the same...
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I agree with the seperate comps for VC/LC and SA.
I also like the idea of making it a proper league, with a ladder - ie. everyone gets multiple matches. And then at a certain point, the person in 1st place becomes 'minor' winner, and then do a knockout comp (ala the format of recent gtasl) between the top (for example) 5 stunters in the ladder, and then the winner of that is the 'major' winner. Ofcourse, as m3rrix said, this option would definately yeild a competition of a much longer length, but i like the idea. (Also good for ppl who may have to skip a round due to other commitments, as they wont be 'out of it', they can still continue in the comp, and perhaps even make it to the finals).
Nb. I cant decide which way around it'd be best to have the 'major' and 'minor' winners (major/minor for the top of the table or major/minor for final knockout win - i know in soccer its major for those who win the ladder, and minor for the final's winner), but nevertheless i assume you get the drift.
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There is a thing that called honesty and the whole GTASL is based on it (and not only GTASL but the whole stunting too). Now you're trying to regulate one aspect but you forgot that there are a lot of other ones(like people modding or even making stunts for others). I think that if you can't control everything(and you can't) you don't need to make everything more difficult.
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a lot of posts before me and im too lazy to read so if somebody has said this before i will gladly provide tissues for you to cry into. i think it should actually be a league this time rather than or at least rename it so its not misleading. im guessing not too many people here were ever involved in sports judging by the amount of time they spend stunting so i will let you off this time, but next time i wont be so kind. ill send you an angry pm or somehing muwahahaha feel my wrath.
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Or you could make it like a soccer league, everone's in a couple of matches, winning is 2 or 3 points, losing is 0 or 1. Make every contestant play 3 matches against 3 different people, so the max score could be 6-9 points or 0-3 points, depending on by how far they lose. Get a panel of judges(about 5). Have them vote on who wins, following a few standard points(i.e. Originality, following the match rules and stuff like that). If someone wins with 3 to 2 votes, the winner gets 2 points and the loser gets 1. If the winner gets 4 or more votes, he takes all three points. At the end of the "sorting" rounds, you take the ones with scores between the 1 and 3 for the novice league, the ones with a score between 4 and 6 goes to the intermediate section, and the ones with a score ranging from 7 to 9 goes to pro league. Then you have a knockout system. This way, you don't get newbies facing pros, and I think it's a lot better than a pure knock out league.
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I've had this idea for a while but I would lvoe to see a continent league.
So basically there would be 5 stunters chosen for Europe in VC and SA..So 5 for each VC and SA.
Then the same for America/Canada, Australasia, Asia and Africa (Not sure if Asia or Africa would have enough competitors for the competetion though)
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in PE we played tournaments and if you lost once that means you werent out.
You had to vs. someone else who lost and if you lose to them your out. If you win then your still in. But if you lose again then your out forever.
So you have to lose like 2 times before your out.
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Maybe have different leagues for New Stunters,Intermedites and Pros.So people making thier first vid dont have to fight Barney,Nitzkit,(your name here) and so on.
My suggestion for the first time
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Everyone's gonna have to go against each other eventually.
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in PE we played tournaments and if you lost once that means you werent out.
You had to vs. someone else who lost and if you lose to them your out. If you win then your still in. But if you lose again then your out forever.
So you have to lose like 2 times before your out.
That's the double elimination tournament which could work out nicely with losers heading to the losers bracket and winners remaining in the winners bracket. A lot of very cool (and complicated as hell) ideas floating around. I rather like Xtramus' idea of multiple tourneys for beginners, intermediates and pros.
I was also thinking of a GTASL for crews since there are quite a few. Of course it would have to be for VC/LC crews though (unless someone wanted to start up a SA league too). Just do a double elimination league with all of the crews who want to be in it.
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A crew competition would be cool, would allow for entries for each week of competition, one entry per crew, and would mean that even if one person was away the competition could still go on
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I would think that we would still have the challenges, but each member of the crew would submit one stunt for that challenge and they would make a vid of all of the crew member's submitions. Could work but this may benefit the larger crews so we would have to limit the number of stunters per crew that compete.
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How about not so many random challenges?
Pick something specific, a roof, a rail, whatever. Tough to compare to different stunts like a bump to roof with a packer to grind just because you had to do "the best stunt" in this place or that place.
Keep it simple. Like get on this roof. Give the stunter the chance to be creative. Use any vehicle, any way. Now you have to compare stunts that are similar. Obviously the most creative would win. Also I wouldn't pick tall roofs really, again keep it simple, something most can do. Same goes for grinds or taxi climbs or whatever and in whatever game, SA, LC or VC.
Also, how about sticking to the rules this time? You have a deadline so lets stick to it. And the submitting of BOTH replays and a short vid. If it's the rules than it's the rules. No exceptions, no extentions unless maybe a judge or judges are asked very shortly after the challenge is posted and with good reason.
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I agree, esp with the rules stuff...hehe funny you picked roofs to emphasize not rails :P but yeah good points
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I'd like to see a 2 on 2 or a 3 on 3 tournament too. Same setup as the GTASL but with teams.
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I'd like to see a 2 on 2 or a 3 on 3 tournament too. Same setup as the GTASL but with teams.
yeah that would be good, well untill kan and nitzy team up, then we all cry.
although a crew tourny would be good :)
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Crew competition would pwn, or free for alls with 3 competitors.
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We'd have to tweak the crew GTASL though since the size of the crews vary. Compare GVT which has at least 10 members and other crews which don't even have half of that.
I think some team out there could take Nitz and Kan, especially with the right challenge.
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Maybe random teams? I mean people enter the competition, then the're divided randomly by teams. This one would be more unpredictable.
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Great idea WERE, and then you could be lucky and get a great stunter and unlucky and get a not so great stunter, so it would all be fair.
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Maybe random teams? I mean people enter the competition, then the're divided randomly by teams. This one would be more unpredictable.
that's an awesome idea.
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Cool idea WEREWOLF! That'll make it fair(er) for everyone.
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i like WEREWOLF's idea also, random teams
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Let's just see who's interested first. We need someone to come up with the rules (hell, i'll do it if someone can back me up) and see who is interested before we figure out teams.
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;) yeah but, who wanna organise this tournament???
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How about Europe vs Australia vs US ;)
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That's unfair ...... Maybe there will be 20 from europe and 3 from Australia and 10 from USA I think it's the best to participate you're self and then will someone decide with wich stunter you're gonna take place.
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Can you stop saying you're? It means YOU ARE.
Anyway, there's more europe and US than Australia, but country and timezone teams, is a good idea.
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There are more people represented in Europe and the US, but like alot of competitive things our country has some veterans...size doesent seem to matter...with stunting we just pulled it lucky
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scandinavia vs the rest of the world :P
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The most important suggestion is really a question of whether or not anyone is going to put their hand up to organise it again cos i would like every GTASL comp to continue on from the last
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There are more people represented in Europe and the US, but like alot of competitive things our country has some veterans...size doesent seem to matter...with stunting we just pulled it lucky
And some young guns. :lol:
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The problem is, that many just wants to compete, not be judges... If anyone else won't do it, I guess I have to put my hand up... anything to get another GTASL going... :)
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well, I think the best is that someone must come with an good idea.
someone who can organize maybe juan.........
:unsure:
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I would organise it and be a judge, but I wanna be involved, and I hosted the graphics tournament and felt left out :(
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I think there don't be an GTASL again...... :side:
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I'm not great for time lately, so I think I'd prefer to be a judge in this one...mainly because I would like to contribute, but with time constraints, I could see myself not making certain cut-offs or whatever.
I'll leave it in the hands of organiser(s) when he's found.
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I'm not great for time lately, so I think I'd prefer to be a judge in this one...mainly because I would like to contribute, but with time constraints, I could see myself not making certain cut-offs or whatever.
I'll leave it in the hands of organiser(s) when he's found.
Well, you won the first one as well, so that'd kinda make you a great judge.
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I will organize the GTASL if the AG contest finisht but I can tell everyone I am not the best organizer it's maybe better to organize this tournament someone who is experienced with those things ;)
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I would like to organise the next GTASL. Ive created a new format and at this point I am looking for people to help in running the league (judges / stunt challenge suggestions). PM me if you would like to do either, but im looking for people that are reliable and can commit to the league for its duration
Check this post for the rules I am going to run GTASL 2 by, it will be VC only (no LC or SA) as it is the most popular stunting format, a game more people can run effectively.
http://www.gtastunting.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9359 (http://www.gtastunting.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9359)
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How do you can participate alone ore with an crew ;)