The Best of GTAStunting: A New Concept

[VaNilla]

I don't want this to be a Digital+ video, I don't think a video split into parts is a good idea. Because it will become out of date as soon as it's released, and I just think making it a community project is the best/most fair way of doing this. Giving it to an editing crew doesn't make much sense to me. Obviously you can do what you want, but this idea is vastly different to what you're suggesting

[XTO --]

What I said we are doing is my idea, not yours, what makes it specifically for SA engine, not VC/LC; in which you could apply yours

I've spoken to a few (2 actually) staff members and they aprooved. I don't see why it would be a bad idea. If it was BT I bet no one would complain about it.

[VaNilla]

I know what you're saying, do it if you want to . As far as my help goes though, I just don't like the idea, I think this is a better way of doing it.

[XTO --]

Making it a competition would not be GTAs best of either. But, really, I liked your idea (seriously). It's just something I've been wondering for a long time and I woulnd't like to see it not being done.

[VaNilla]

It's not a competition though, that's just your perception of it. People would vote on the applications, but you don't have to see that competitively. It's just a fair way of deciding what makes it into the videos, and people could keep resubmitting their stuff and see what happens. Anyway though I'm not sure what you're asking me about now

If you want my help with making a four part video for Digital+, then I don't want to do that. If you want to use this idea and change it/use it for Digital+, I also don't want to do it, because it should be edited by people decided on by the community in my opinion. So in any case, I don't want your help, but you can do whatever you want

[XTO --]

If it's a best of GTAS and I was a regular/bad stunter I would like to see my best stuff among the great ones stunts, and unfortunately, in the system you suggested, you won't have it.

You have killer stuff in the first and a decreasing level until you reach the final 'chapter'.

Also, my idea is not to split, I'll split it to upload on youtube, but it would be a 1-part video only with less than 10 stunts each as someone suggested here.

I would probably go with Theftman's concept, 1 to 5 stunts each.


Also, as you stated in the first post, you don't wanna get involved with, neither organization or editing. I don't see how you could help out in this. I would just borrow a few very interesting parts of your idea, if you allowed me to.

    Making one big "Best of GTAStunting" video is a massive undertaking for the whole community, let alone one editor. This makes organisation incredibly difficult, and it also makes the job very stressful for the editor. This leads to de-motivation, and as a result of this, the video never gets made.

As you said, one person and one editor only makes it difficult and hard to release something. That would be a pro to have me and my crew, or any other crew edit it. We are organizing it and we are editing it. Makes it less stressful for everyone.
 

   

The term "Best of GTAStunting" is very subjective. As an editor you must try to accommodate for your target audience. For this video, that audience is GTAStunting, a large community with lots of different people and opinions to go with it. As a result of this, organisers wrongly try to satisfy everybody, and end up accepting hundreds of different replays. Unless you want an hour long video, this is totally counter-productive, and it works against the objective you're trying to achieve in the first place. Quality over quantity is important, but it's an impossible compromise in this type of environment.

Now again, having a crew to edit it, where most members use different styles, would make it more pleasant to everyone. There will be certainly, atleast, 1 part of which that will be on your taste. Not talking about the stunts themselves, because that's something that everyone would send, but talking about what an editing crew could deliver for the community.


The vol. 1 mentions being less stressful to split into 5-10 stunts each volume. Why not make it bigger, ~3minutes parts video where you can watch any part you want after searching by the name of the stunter? We could make it like:

Part1:
Stevex, Eddeman, Daffy and Caio's part.

Part2: Stunter1, stunter2, stunter3, stunter4

And so on.

You could just 'browse' throught the collection to watch whatever you want to.

[VaNilla]

If it's a best of GTAS and I was a regular/bad stunter I would like to see my best stuff among the great ones stunts, and unfortunately, in the system you suggested, you won't have it.

You have killer stuff in the first and a decreasing level until you reach the final 'chapter'.

Also, my idea is not to split, I'll split it to upload on youtube, but it would be a 1-part video only with less than 10 stunts each as someone suggested here.

I would probably go with Theftman's concept, 1 to 5 stunts each.

The problem with that is that not only do you lose having the most fair way of picking the stunts, but then you lose everything the video is meant to be about. You can't title something "The Best of GTAStunting" and then accept stunts that could never really be classified as "The Best", just because somebody wants to be included. If you don't want that, then you might as well just make a normal collab, because then it's not about having the best stunts.

I think this way is fair, because it allows anyone to apply, but the community decides which stunts are best. I don't see how having a group of organisers is better, because they can and will be exploited. If we're meant to show the best of the community, then it really does have to be the best, or you're compromising the whole purpose. Obviously most people would love to get in the video, and they could all apply, but you can't accept everyone.

And besides, who's to say the level of stunts would decrease? The very nature of volumes and applications means that as new great stunts get landed, they could be sent as an application to these videos. And you can't expect everyone to send everything all at once, it wont happen. And like I said in the topic, if the quality started to drop off significantly, that's when I would discontinue the videos. We can't decide what's the best for other people, they have to decide.

I know I said I don't want to organise it, but I'm reconsidering, because I know I've got the right principles in mind

[XTO --]

It's just obvious that it would decrease.

And I never even mentioned leaving the "stunts pickup job" to anyone who wants. That would be of one person only and they have to meet the same criteria used by Theftman.

Obviously, we could leave away the ones that are not good. But as far as someone is considered a member of the community, let's say, being a member for 2 years, he HAS the right to be in the video, wheter his stuff is good or not, compared to a god-like stunt.


Edit: if the stunts level are a major issue to you, I could use part of your "system" and make a poll or something, but that would not entirely remove a person from a video.

Or maybe pick a replay checker, someone who's a renown stunter in the community to pick the best stunts out of each member.


Edit2: Seems that you are just reconsidering to organize it because someone that had the edit months ago (not to say years, for what I mentioned before) wants it to be different, and disagrees with your plan.

[VaNilla]

If you have one person, they're bound to pick favourites based on their relationships with other people. Nobody can account for that, it's just the wrong way of doing it. It doesn't matter how long somebody has been around, everyone has the right to get in the video, and that's precisely the point. My way of doing things would let everyone apply, no matter who they are. If you have one organiser controlling who gets in and who doesn't, then the whole video loses its credibility in my opinion.

My way would be totally transparent. People would vote on what they consider to be the best, and that's the way it should be, because it's totally subjective. And I know, people could organise votes to try and exploit the system. But the alternative is having one person in control of everything, and that's a guaranteed disaster as far as I'm concerned

You do what you want if you organise a video, but it's got nothing to do with my idea, I hope that's clear

EDIT: I'm reconsidering organising it because I know I would do it right, even despite how busy I am with other things. I said that long before you posted, the fact that you want to organise a video means nothing to me frankly

[XTO --]

I never said I would pick your idea and apply it. I only mentioned that you picked up some really valid points that would be worth to be used in the organization.


E: Not wanting to start a flame war here, but despite the fact that you'd "remove" people from a community best of by picking the best stuff only, and not the best of the whole community just misses the point.

That's not the way to do it, and you know it.

Yes, I know that it would be up to everyone to pick the stunts, but not considering using everyone's stuff is just a bad idea. You could even pick 20 stunts by MeetMyMeat and make 3 volumes of it.

[Determined]

I personally dislike the idea of 4 editors carrying out the entire project, it has no variety & gets tiresome to look at.
I've never liked big ass projects done in such a manner, the main reason I hate vids like Extravaganza.
Having variety in both stunts & editing would make the vid stand out more & give everyone a chance to participate in one way or the other.

[XTO --]

It wouldn't be 4 editors, actually. And that's what I meant. In D+ we seek members with different styles from the ones we already have. That provides your variety in editing and the variety of stunts would come from everyone sending stuff, not only 10 guys having stunts.

[VaNilla]

I never said I would pick your idea and apply it. I only mentioned that you picked up some really valid points that would be worth to be used in the organization.


E: Not wanting to start a flame war here, but despite the fact that you'd "remove" people from a community best of by picking the best stuff only, and not the best of the whole community just misses the point.

That's not the way to do it, and you know it.

Yes, I know that it would be up to everyone to pick the stunts, but not considering using everyone's stuff is just a bad idea. You could even pick 20 stunts by MeetMyMeat and make 3 volumes of it.

Well that's okay. You can organise a video if you want, it's not like I want to stop you, I'm not even trying to. But I know the way you're trying to organise it is totally wrong, and frankly I don't see it getting finished either. I'm just trying to tell you why I think that

EDIT: Man, everyone would be considered. How can you guarantee that everyone would be considered if ONE person is organising? :/

EDIT 2: You know what, I've explained myself enough. Everything you've asked me is laid out in the first post and throughout this topic, I don't know how I can be more clear without turning this into an argument. Just leave it, if you want to organise a video do it, I just don't want anything to do with it

[XTO --]

Because that's the essence of a community video.

Or you want to tell me that 40 guys are removed of a community video (trinity for example) because 5 guys sent 40 stunts that just obliterates the rest of the content?

[Determined]

I thought the concept was 1 stunt per person, maybe I misinterpreted something, I don't think we need more than that to still make a good, long best of.