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GTAStunting Leagues => Past Stunt Leagues => GTAStunting League - Vice City => GTASL 2 => Topic started by: kr3mlin on December 21, 2005, 11:18:05 PM
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Im putting my hand up for running GTASL 2, and have come up with a system of a league that I plan to run through with. This topic im creating so people can get an idea of what to expect in the league and also to look for support in the form of judges. If you believe you are knowledgable enough about stunting in the VC engine and are able to put the time in please PM me an expression of interest. At this point Im looking for three judges (who will not be able to compete), not a lengthy discussion about the format i have chosen to run the league by.
Attached is the system this league will run by
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Very organised, I definitely want to be apart of it, as a stunter.
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Section One of the tournament there will be 3 stunt challenges, on a given week all matches will proceed using the same challenge to ensure equal ground for all competitiors.
That was my main complaint with the original league, glad to see you're changing that.
This topic will not be for the submission of stunt entries and for the publication of judges votes only for discussion of the challenge and for the 'signing in' process. In GTASL 2 once stunters have completed their stunt for the round they will submit their replay.rep file in a clearly marked archive to the leagure organiser within the week of the challenge being posted (which will be posted weekly)
This I have a problem with because I believe you are implying that stunts will be pmed? I believe it should be a spectator sport for all eyes to see. I know this can create problems with the judges being influenced but then again, if you have good judges, it shouldn't be a problem.
In any case I'll help out in any way I can. Maybe I'll talk to roo about having the league featured on the main site.
Edit: Read the end... silly me. I donno though, watching the videos and then waiting in suspense for a judgement would be best to me.
Had another thought too, someone should run some kind of betting system. As long as an admin enforced it, it would work out nicely.
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is this SL only for VC?
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... stunts completed in this competition will be done so using GTA: Vice City only, this is for the sake of consistency for stunters and familiarity for judges.
Yeah, only for VC.
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I can see you have put alot of effort into this dude - thank god someone finally did ;) . It looks awesome, and I cant wait to compete in it :)
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This I have a problem with because I believe you are implying that stunts will be pmed? I believe it should be a spectator sport for all eyes to see. I know this can create problems with the judges being influenced but then again, if you have good judges, it shouldn't be a problem.
True about the judges, im hoping the suspence on the matchup and the dicussion on how each will approach it will be the main reason people will post in the round topic. Also with the PM system im planning to make the replays confidential...so that the judges only know which pool they are judging at each point (by the challenge) and not the specific competitors
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Yea I guess it works out better that way.
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It looks awesome. Good job Krem :)
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That's a good system, I'm pretty happy someone sought to improve on what I had created.
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Good system, but I don't like that only 8 stunters take part in this league(i don't count the qualifying rounds). Maybe we can make a sort of a football system? I mean Leagues A/B/C. After the end of the GTASL 2 people who got into the B/C leagues finals get to the A/B league at the next stunting league. And 2 people who take 4th places in the A group get to the B group. Group C is reorganised.
Or if you don't want to leagues you can make just 2 - A and B, it would be easier. After the end of the league all stunters from league A except those who took 4th places in their groups + 2 best stunters from league B get into the league A, group B will be filled with people who will take the first places in the qualifing. In the next GTA SL(GTA SL 2). Group B will be filled with people who got 2nd places in the qualifying.
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I'd actually like to be a stunter this time. I'm still having trouble with VC though.
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^ I like werewolf's idea I can't believe no one pointed this out but.....
You spelt organization wrong. :P
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Nicely organised, but I think 10 or 12 stunters should be enough, because if many people wanted to apply then.. yeah. I may take part if there is a slot left after all the competetors join. <_<
EDIT: WEREWOLF's idea is great too.
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by the way, we have a GTASL forum for a reason ;)
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An good option is an qualifying round.
And the best 8 will join.
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So everyone can join? :huh: and the best go forward... :huh:
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I actually hate the fact we'll only start from quarter rounds with knock out matches. I liked how the previous one was organized(in the way of battles and entries). But that's just me I guess..
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Good job and great outline, but why just in VC? We can have two seperate competitions at the same time, one for VC and SA, but with the same outline and rules.
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i also dont like that only 8 stunters can compete.. just do it like werewolf said :) thats a great idea. i would take part.
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*cough*20 stunters*cough* ;)
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It makes sense to me.
From what i read its going to start out with 8 different categories, for example a category for ag's, grind's, pb's, etc..
Everybody can submit a stunt to each category but only the best stunt from each category will advance, and thats how the eight stunters will be choosen. Then those eight stunters are split into teams of four, and they go against each other. In the end only for remain and the same thing happens over again. Finally only two stunters remain, and the champion is decided.
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:| o_O.. Sure.. :blink:
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i also dont like that only 8 stunters can compete.. just do it like werewolf said :) thats a great idea. i would take part.
I think you guys are missing the point... Everyone can compete, krem just worded it a bit differently.
Think of it this way, anyone who wants to can sign up. The first round happens, and 8 stunters are left. Using the word qualification is just a different way of saying that... In fact, in this system it gives equal opportunity to each stunter to qualify by submitting a stunt that they are good at. Ex. one guy is good at airgrabs, he can qualify there, one guy is good at grinds he can qualify there.
Without this system, everyone would compete based upon the same challenge and it wouldn't be fair to those not good at the challenge.
So to put it simply, this is the fairest way to run the league.
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Good job and great outline, but why just in VC? We can have two seperate competitions at the same time, one for VC and SA, but with the same outline and rules.
yeah! would love to have SA to :)
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i also dont like that only 8 stunters can compete.. just do it like werewolf said :) thats a great idea. i would take part.
I think you guys are missing the point... Everyone can compete, krem just worded it a bit differently.
Think of it this way, anyone who wants to can sign up. The first round happens, and 8 stunters are left. Using the word qualification is just a different way of saying that... In fact, in this system it gives equal opportunity to each stunter to qualify by submitting a stunt that they are good at. Ex. one guy is good at airgrabs, he can qualify there, one guy is good at grinds he can qualify there.
Without this system, everyone would compete based upon the same challenge and it wouldn't be fair to those not good at the challenge.
So to put it simply, this is the fairest way to run the league.
Yeah, but 8 stunters is a small ammount. The first league had 16 and now there are more people who want to take part in this one, i'm sure. It won't be a big problem to have A and B leagues, I think, cause the stunts will be done not very often so judges will have enought time to rate 'em.
If we will have only one league, it will be only a pro stunters league, but the first one wasn't a competion only, it was also a chance to not so well-know stunters to show themselves and to practice and raise their skills.
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We should do like a North America vs. World type of thing. I don't see that working though.
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But 8 is a bit of a small amount, 16 or something would be nicer.
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Ive put forward this amount of people cos i feel that is what i am able to organise effectively, the same reason I selected VC only. Obviously a bigger competition would be better, but at this point I would like to test this system and everyone still has a chance to compete, by entering in as many of the initial eight contests
Also I have found one judge for this now
Also I didnt spell organisation wrong....Im from Australia :P
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I'm in, but I would prefer WEREWOLF's idea. But at this point, any GTASL is better than none at all.
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count me in :D
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Yeah, but 8 stunters is a small ammount. The first league had 16 and now there are more people who want to take part in this one, i'm sure. It won't be a big problem to have A and B leagues, I think, cause the stunts will be done not very often so judges will have enought time to rate 'em.
Again missing the point... More than 8 people will be competing...
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Yeah, but 8 stunters is a small ammount. The first league had 16 and now there are more people who want to take part in this one, i'm sure. It won't be a big problem to have A and B leagues, I think, cause the stunts will be done not very often so judges will have enought time to rate 'em.
Again missing the point... More than 8 people will be competing...
No, i understood that after the first time i read the doc file. But qualification is just a qualification, not the league itself. Only 8 people are competing in the league
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Ok so if he were to reword the document to say, "the first round of the league" instead of qualification you would be happy?
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Ok so if he were reword the document to say, "the first round of the league" instead of qualification you would be happy?
not really. cause still people will have to wait for a lot of time for the end of the league.
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I agree with Werewolf's opinions. I would love to be in this one though"," missed the last one due to computer reformatting. <_<
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count me in if this post means anything :unsure:
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BTW when will this be starting? It's vacation for most people so..
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Im doing the organisational thing till the end of this year, some around the first week in January is when i plan to begin the eight contests
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I think what WEREWOLF means (at least this is how I would prefer it) is to keep it the same way, only accept the top two finishers in the qualifying round. That way each pool would have 8 stunters instead of 4 (or accept a total of 12 stunters, 6 per pool, 8 automatic qualifiers and 4 wild card qualifiers based on total votes). That way more people are involved in the meat of the GTASL where they can play multiple matches against only one opponent. I KNOW more than 8 people will be competeing, but a vast majority of them will only compete once.
But whatever, it is just a suggestion, again I am happy to see the GTASL going again.
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The reason there will be eight people and not sixteen is purely organisational. Ive allowed for anyone to be eligible for the eight, but if there were sixteen it would create a system that I dont feel i would be able to effectively manage. If someone feels that they could id be happy to give it to them cos the more people the better but at this point i would like a short version and then if it is successful in its current state an expansion to more stunters could happen
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OH with the qualification round thingy, keep it anonymous, just send the .rep(s) for the qualification round(s) you're in, you get a number, like let's say it's 11. Then someone makes a vid out of the stunts for each qualification match, and then people can say "I like # best". This to prevent popularity votes.
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at this point i would like a short version and then if it is successful in its current state an expansion to more stunters could happen
^ I agree with that.
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@Xtramus: that is a good idea
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Thank you kr3m, I think there are a lot of stunters out there that are better than some ATS guys in some categories, but because ATS is so popular their chances would be quite slim. And ATS is just an example people, before we get stuff like "Oh noes ATS pwnzifier your assifier" or something like that..
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oh...
but If i get it.... there will be qualifying rounds in few of catogories???
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At this point Ive made the following progress in organisation:
Ive worked out the 8 qualifying competitions
And the first judges has been chosen:
-Juan
I'm still looking for two more judges to if you feel you fulfill the criteria please PM me
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hmmzz... do you need judges well, I am doing 4 vids in this month do you need more judges if you do:
Count Me In B)
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hmmzz... do you need judges well, I am doing 4 vids in this month do you need more judges if you do:
Count Me In B)
Hell no :o
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wy not -_- :angry:
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Personally I think 3 judges is just to few. 3 kinda gives a limited perspective. Also more, say 5 to 7, would help alleviate any bias there might be about a particular stunter. Ya follow?
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innit neo, your right, the resulting decision would be a bias one with so few judges,u need more views on it to get a fair decision
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I agree, but as of right now we've only got one judge.
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^As said earlier we have only had two people put their had up and 1 who has displayed enough experience for the job therefore more than three judges might not be possible and the system of all reps going to me through PM and then out to the judges the same way without any skins is what will be employed to minimise judge bias
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I'll judge, but if I qualify for Phase 1 obviously I can't. I think a bunch of people would like to and are qualified but want to participate as well. Once a bunch of people are eliminated during the qualification round more will be able to judge.
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Can I be a judge?
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^Yeah i dont see why not. You are added....if your going to compete
Now two judges confirmed....im going to put the third place on hold till after the qualifying rounds...so if some people dont qualify they will be able to apply for judging
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If I don't qualify myself I'd be willing to judge as well, or help in any other way. Just tell me if you need me.
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Sucks how I can't judge :( Damn you Juan for beating me to it :P
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^Yeah i dont see why not. You are added....if your going to compete
Now two judges confirmed....im going to put the third place on hold till after the qualifying rounds...so if some people dont qualify they will be able to apply for judging
Good idea, you should be able to find someone (or more than one person) then. As I am sure there are some guys out there who are 'qualified' but also wanna have a shot at the comp too.
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In this case you can have more than 3 judges like Neo suggested and I agree. I'm sure you'll find at least three more judges (or maybe 5 more for a total of 7).
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I'm in.
EDIT: I'm in as a competitor.
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Alright ill confirm judges and such soon, im lookig to start the rounds for positions soon
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I wanna be an judge
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^I'd rather have someone more "vet" as judge.. And I'll compete, if I lose the first round(which will most likely be the case), I'll be willing to judge or help in any other way.
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I'll judge if ya need another.
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I wanna judge if I lose anything. :P
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Im leaving the final judging position open for now
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well maybe its cool that someone wich powers 2 organize like like NEO ANDERSON B)
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I'm in :)
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And...who are the judges?
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we don't know because Kremlin isn't organizing anymore
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we don't know because Kremlin isn't organizing anymore
Might I say WTF do you mean? I haven't seen him post something like "I don't want to run this tourney anymore" or the likes of that.
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I think Falcon understood "Im leaving the final judging position open for now" like "Im leaving. The final judging position open for now" :blink:
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lol...well, who are the judges that are already confirmed?
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:( me :P but I don't got any reply at it only Werewolfs fucking reply
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my reply wasn't fucking B)
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are you sure? cause i think i saw a pussy.... :lol:
wait thats just a cat....
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Nobody gets outta this nation pit alive.
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lol...well, who are the judges that are already confirmed?
Kr3m said there was gonna be three, and (checking back a couple pages), it appears that the two he has chosen are:
Juan
finallight
Neo has said he would do it, but Kr3m said he will leave the latter position till after the qualifying rounds where there will be a few more ppl willing to join as judges.
I do hope he changes his mind about the number of judges though, i think 5 would be okay, and i DO hope he chooses Neo cause I reckon he'd be a really good person to be a judge, and if he does, then Kr3m only needs two more to pick (and since he's waiting till after qual, i am sure there will be AT LEAST two ppl who offer themselves as judges, so there should be no problems making the 5).
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I'm back and would be willing to judge again. :(
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Current judges are:
Juan
Finallight
Neo
I'll ask for two more positions after qualifying...
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Cool :)
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Thanks :)
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This shall be very interesting. Good luck to everyone, hope I'll be in it.
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aaw I am not an judge could I be in the tournament
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Too compete, can i use PS2 Vice City, and record stunt with my webcam?
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Webcam O_O the horror..
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Webcam O_O the horror..
You use a video camera?
Cus a poor kid so can't afford one and I really don't want to have to start seeling crack again... :lol:
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We should have an odd number of judges so that ties dont occur. :)
Edit- It seems that kr3m all ready knew that. I look like a dumbass. :lol:
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i doubt ill get to try. not even got a vid out yet :P but if i can try ill kick all your asses!
and yes juan u do look like a dumbass:P
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BTW, when's this starting, since it's pretty much something I'm looking forward to.
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Well actually im planning to start it within 24 hrs...now im just waiting on being given ability to make topics to get the thing off the ground......soon mate soon
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could you make an list with the players who're in
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sweet cant wait~!
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@Falcon: No one is in yet, thats what the selection rounds that i will be starting will decide
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kr3m do u think i got a shot at this?
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Is this ever going to start...?
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You know i was actually looking forward to seeing a collab/comun-style vid with stunts from GTASL1 (i know it was suggested by some ppl), but it appears that it never eventuated, oh well.
Anyway, good luck with SL2 Kr3m, i hope all goes well.
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so do i
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I could make a huge vid out of all matches and entries, if I got the .reps..
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Is there any chance I can be a judge again? I haven't noticed this thread until now.
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I would like to get this started but at this point
Sorry, you do not have permission to start a topic in this forum
I cannot create the topics or a subforum that i would need
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Good idea kremlin!
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<_<
you must go learn english
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Wow Falcon no pun intended but you yourself should learn english as well :P
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:P
Aaww I have trying my best at school
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kr3m i could start the topic and then u could write in it.
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Wow Falcon no pun intended but you yourself should learn english as well :P
I see no pun in it. :P
Alien if kr3m couldnt make the topics what makes you think your able to. :side:
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i dunno maybe i should try it and find out. trying it now
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Nice effort getting GTASL 2 going guys :D
kudos to everyone involved.
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well it hasnt been working but............. yeh ok the board has problems
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lol, yeah democracy is a bitch sometimes. Make a poll and nominate someone to be in charge of it. A lot of problems will disappear. If they don't, you can always tweak the format for GTASL 3.
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lol whats rong with democracy? :P i dunno if i know where your coming from. ohh and one last Q.Q. whats democracy?
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yeah
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No problems getting it started if i could...however at this point i do not have the ability to make topics that would get this league running. But whatever, i have sent a PM asking for such permission to Andy, im happy to wait
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spose i can wait a lil longer. *stares at watch and watches 1 minute go by* ohh cmmon start it all ready! :lol:
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I don't see any moves if its gonna take longer I am gonna get this with own hands
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I am not going to be able to run this...if you want to Falcon go right ahead...and good luck getting the priveledges to make the topics
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atm I am getting some rules ready
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yeah i have see it already :blink:
./.Jk./.
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Why not just keep the rules that have already been published?
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^ I agree 100%.
Its a shame Kr3mlin cant run this anymore.... but PLEASE to whoever does end up running it, at least use the rules that he set out, they were really good!
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I'm willing to run it if there's nobody else. I've got experience :P
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I would have liked to have run it...but things never go to plan. I hope to see my ideas somewhere in a new set of rules hopefully maybe taking into account the other posts in this topic offering suggestions and criticism
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Yeah.. But seriously, who's gonna run this? I mean, let's decide that first.
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Go ahead Xtramus. I nominate you to run this thing.
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I think it would be fun if its a crew tournament
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We can do a crew tournament later, now we should focus on this one.
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If there's nobody else that wants to run this, then I'll talk to Andy what he thinks and then.. we'll see.
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Why not just keep the rules that have already been published?
just keep the same rules or this will take as much time start as defiance 2. Note to self get around to editing it soon/one day.
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Its more that people seem to call out for the thing, but then any effort to move it forward is met often by indifference...in the form of no activity
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and this is a really big bump
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So is anyone gonna restart this thing or is this bump really not neccessary? Hell, i'd do it just as the old GTASL was done, a simple tournament.
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I'm willing to do it but it'll be a knock out tourney, maybe with some funky shit added but just a knock out one. People didn't feel anything for the way the last one was attempted to be done.
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k well you should make it then I'll be in anyway
plx no qualifiing round
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start a tourny like the first one, it worked, didnt it?
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^ x2
But may I suggest a couple of changes? I'd love to see this become a double-elimination tournament where there'd be a winners' bracket and a losers' bracket and the winners of each bracket would face off in the super finals.
I'd also like to see a best of 5 or 7 match in the finals (maybe the semifinals too). I think that would make it more exciting. I'm debating whether i'd like to participate as a stunter or try to become a judge.
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I'd love to see NA's suggestions make it in to the next tournament. Not only would a loser's bracket be good (Not just having a 'one and done'), and the best out of 5-7 is good because if you just have one challenge, it could play more to the strengths of one person than to the other, but if you have five or seven, then you could have a huge variety of challenges.
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why not just a knock out
1.vs 2. -1.
3.vs 4. -4.
4.vs 1. -4
4.vs etc etc
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I'd like to run the next GTASL. What i'll do is (if I can) post a topic just looking for people interested in participating. If only a few people want to participate then screw it but if we can get a couple dozen i'll be well pleased.
EDIT: BAH! Apparantly I don't have permission to make a new topic.
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The SL is up so this thread is closed.