GTAStunting
General => Community Council => The Polling Center => Topic started by: Neo Anderson on July 30, 2006, 08:41:30 PM
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I used to do any stunts be they old or not. But it's hurtful hearing people dismiss your stunts because they're old - they often don't see how tough it was for the person to get the stunt. Now I'm just sick of the whole stunting thing altogether.
The community makes stunting a chore at times instead of being a fun hobby.
This is something that has been buggin me for awhile. I too am sick and tired of all the reviews containing the phrases "that's old", "already been done" or "done by so and so in whatever vid". The only reason I can see for these types of replies is to try to belittle the stunts or the person who did them.
I remember when I first made stunt vids. I eagerly would go back into the thread to check out what everyone thought of the vid I just put out. I'll tell ya, nothin sucks more than to hear people rag on your stunts after all the time and effort you put into makin your vid. I'm sure alot of you have been there so you know where I'm comin from. So before this become a friggin novel, how about just a little concideration for others and there work?
Comments and or bitches welcome.
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As a performer of many old stunts I know the feeling. Especially when you perform the stunt never knowing it is old. I have never felt that doing an old stunt made it any easier. I try to rate vids as though i've never seen the stunts before. Things like this make me wish I never went to the trouble of making a vid in the first place. Vids are tough to come by now more than ever, and some of the reason why has to do with people concerned others will rip their vids to bits because the stunts are old or not up to par with those who've been here for a long time.
Few things hurt more than pouring hours of one's precious free time into a vid that they are proud of only to have others shit all over it without once acknowledging how difficult, tedious and time consuming it is.
KingJad is dead right when he says things like this make stunting a chore than a hobby. I have always felt that when something enjoyable becomes a chore and no longer fun, its time to give it up (hint, hint).
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I usually give out some comments to an old stunt when someone else I say it is old. Either that or I quit reviewing vids
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I used to do any stunts be they old or not. But it's hurtful hearing people dismiss your stunts because they're old - they often don't see how tough it was for the person to get the stunt. Now I'm just sick of the whole stunting thing altogether.
The community makes stunting a chore at times instead of being a fun hobby.
This is something that has been buggin me for awhile. I too am sick and tired of all the reviews containing the phrases "that's old", "already been done" or "done by so and so in whatever vid". The only reason I can see for these types of replies is to try to belittle the stunts or the person who did them.
I remember when I first made stunt vids. I eagerly would go back into the thread to check out what everyone thought of the vid I just put out. I'll tell ya, nothin sucks more than to hear people rag on your stunts after all the time and effort you put into makin your vid. I'm sure alot of you have been there so you know where I'm comin from. So before this become a friggin novel, how about just a little concideration for others and there work?
Comments and or bitches welcome.
I agree. it sucks for people to rag you about old stunts in vids, but i think people will still be unable to resist doing it... maybe we all just need to stop thinking of every stunt vid made by people here as all competing. It's hard when you have such a broad spectrum of talent like completely new to ats level and people here are respected more if they made an awesome stunt vid and then others get judged based on that respect or lack of...
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Well, it's understandable why these comments are used. If you see, for example, a comedy and you kinda like it. Then, if you see another movie with the same joke in it you think it's not as funny/good, cause it's old. Do you get me?
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I've been saying this for ages...back off old-stunt police! Nobody gives a damn (nobody SHOULD anyway) if a stunt is old. It's one thing if it's an old mediocre stunt, but seriously...then just say it's not a great stunt, don't call it old! An old 300 feet wide 85 feet high packer bump is JUST as difficult as a new300 feet wide 85 feet high packer bump, sometimes harder depending on the spot
Tack does have a point I suppose, but it really is like comparing apples to oranges, imo.
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My grandma used to tell me; "If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all". If you're going to review a vid and half of your comments include the word "old" or "done by ______ in _______" then don't post anything.
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My grandma used to tell me; "If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all". If you're going to review a vid and half of your comments include the word "old" or "done by ______ in _______" then don't post anything.
i totally and utterly disagree, what say i do all the stunts in Necrosis again, mix them up, different song and call the vid ' Liviu's video ', you will give me good reviews?
what neo said only applies to newbies, when you explain this n that and to do old spots from vids and then COME UP WITH THEIR OWN. Also, when you think you see a stunt you ask a few friends if its old or not.
Now, doing an old stunt isnt the end of the world but as tac pointed out its not nearly as exciting or amazing when you see it done again and you must state that its been old.
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If you do a solo remake of Necrosis, that would be badass.
But yeah, whenever I say a stunt is old, I usually try to make another comment about it too. The stunter needs to know that others did it before him. It's not anything to be ashamed of, but you do need to respect the fact that it's been done by someone before. They went through the same trouble as you did, whether it took them more or less.
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old stunts = not amazing
not amazing = bad review
add it up, but you know it always depends though, whether it be a new stunter or a vet.
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I gotta say that's the most pointless and shittastic review ever...and it was given to a damn good video too! I think it's pathetic that someone would shit on a vid like that...but with our new 'detailed review' craze it probably will become more common, unfortunately.
And well...
Old stunts = Same difficulty as the first time they were done
Bad review because of old stunts = Asshole Reviewer
I could not have said that any better. damn straight bro
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I tend to agree that narrow-minded reviewing can make stunting a chore. If a person is stunting for the pure enjoyment of it, they're not gonna care that a stunt is old...and neither should anyone on these forums who stunts for the pure enjoyment. Every single person on these forums has done a stunt at one point or another that was done by someone else...whether they knew it was old or not.
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Stunts - 7.5/10 Some weak, some good. Most were weak.. AND OLD!
0.19 - Done by Brainkiller in Destiny.
0.26 - Done by Lord Peres with a krail in XXL and NoAPOlogies without a krail in one of his three solos (Convection I believe)
0.33 - Rofl.
0.39 - Done by Enigma on Tombstone. Also done by 28 on Faschia, without a krail unlike Enigma's Still a nice stunt
0.44 - I don't really get the point of this stunt
0.48 - Done by Buzzsaw on A View to a Stunt I believe with a sanchez. Great stunt btw.
0.54 - Fucking pwnage spin on rail. Even though it was stoppied 2 grinded 3 times (by finallight in Betrayal, WEREWOLF in Evolution and 28 with an airgrab in System) Too bad you bailed.
0.56 - Hmm.. pick-up airgrab over rail..
0.59 - Nice one. You can get there by bump, but considering the distance, its pwnage,
1.04 - Lovely. Short roof to stop on
1.09 - Done by Taclite in Partners in Crime, but still a nice stunt.
1.23 - Done by Barney in Carnage II
1.30 - Done by Neo in Overdrive.
Done by Southern Finest to the higher roof in One of a Kind
1.35 - If it isn't gapped, the stunt suck, even if you landed on the ramp.
ALSO BSM 2 grinded by The Antidote in Fiend.
1.41 - Done by Matt in Fusion and also landed and grinded more.
1.44 - Nice BSM.
1.50 - Done by Kaneda in dysfuntional with an extra stoppie2corkscrew combo.
Done by Prankster in the credits of The Heroes Return Liberty City
Done by WEREWOLF in Constant Exhibition with extra 360.
Done by me and waiting for annihalation of the replay. Its not that hard anyway, did it in like probably around 1-2 hours without using trainers/mods/anything
1.56 - Done by NightKnight in Hatred.
2.00 - Stunt stealer <_<
2.08 - Done shitloads of times in n00b vids (No offence B-ware crew ) and is VERY easy.
2.20 - Done by Banzai in Tombstone, and also he did not slide off the roof.
2.27 - I wouldn't ay that its old, but its pretty easy, sorry
2.30 - Done by Samurai in Innovation.
Done by Au{R}on with curbbump in some vid I can't remember.
Done by 28 with a sanchez and a landing on a coach with a stucky sanchez stoppie afterward in Fashcia.
AND FURTHERMORE, done by me around 5-6 times in probably 2 hours, without trainers, mods, whatever.
2.39 - Great high precision stunt A backwawrds BSM 2 billboard.. pwnage.
2.42 - Done by Demonfade in Theory
Done by Taclite in either Bloodline or Doperide.
Also done by me and gave up trying to do a stoppie 2 360 with that packerbump.
2.49 - I don't like airgrabs. Those that aren't special like delay airgrabs anyway.
2.51 - Too easy. Atleast superspining off the ledge would be better.
The superspin off hte ledge is also done by:
ZeroX in Zero Hour 2
Brad in Shallow Bay
2.55 - Done by Daffy in The Heroes Return Libery City with shitloads more rotation.
Done by Turtle Dick in So What I htink with a freeway.
2.58 - I was expecting a stoppie, anyway, nice packerbump.
3.04 - Lmfao. Nitzkit did it to the top ledge. I did it 2-3 times and thought it was a filler so threw it away
3.07 - Damn, I need to name all those stunters that did this stunt..
Done by MorTon in Untouchables.
Done by Sweet in Death.
Done by many more.
3.14 - BSM to pick-up airgrab, hah, thats original. Nice one for doing the first of that kind.
3.21 - Done by Barney in Hard Act to Follow
Done by Madman in The Heroes Return Liberty City.
3.24 - Done by Barney in Meet the Wretched with the packer closer the the rail and grinded the whole rail after the bump.
Done by Barney with a krail in Shadow Zone
Done by Daffy with some kind of stuff like that in Opposide
Done by Turtle dick with packer closer to rail in Exhilaration
Done by Daffy with corkscrew in Blackout 2
Done by Samurai with corkscrew in Mut8tion
I'm not gonna name those who did the curbbump lol.
3.39 - Done by Dannye in Found with more rotation. I don't like bonks.
3.46 - Hmm.. not sure if this si done by MorTon in the Game, but good BSM anyway.
3.49 - Done by Ramboy in some vid I don't remember.
Done by Nitzkit in Underground and slid off
Done by Nitzkit in Underground 2 and slid off
lol
3.55 - Done by Lord Peres with krail, I SAID KRAIL!, in Lost Stunts.
4.02 - Done by Taclite in either Doperide or Bloodlines
4.06 - Done by Nitzkit shitloads of times in Underground.
Done by Akuma with a krail in his solo vid, Unspeakable I think
Done by me in Radiance with a freeway
Done by Kingjad with a freeway and lost his stunt because I did it and put it in a video first.
Sorry Kingjad
4.09 - Wtf, bad camera angles. Satisfactory BSM.
4.11 - Done by ZeroX on the other side in Animosity
Done by m3rrix on this side in Haunted I think
4.16 - I do not like packers on roofs. THEREFORE I am not rating this stunt.
4.21 - Hehe, reminds me of Neo's bump in 5ive Nice one.
4.25-4.31 - Fuck my eyes are bleeding. J/k, I don't like AGs.
4.32 - Done by ZeroX in Zero Hour
Done by Barney in Vice City : Last Ride
Done by kaneda to the farther roof in RPM
Done by ZeroX to the farther roof in Disciples
Done by Torque in either Survive or Paranoia
Music - 7/10 Music is old. Points off for stealing from Neo
Editing - 5/10 The camera angles were annoying, stunts start too quickly sometimes, you spelled Obsessions wrong in the credits, even thought the name of the damn song isn't obsessions, but between angels and insects, and furthermore,
YOU FUCKING STOLE FROM NEO IN THE CREDITS
Overall - around 6.5/10 Aint going into my videos playlist, sorry, and for everyone that worked hard in this video, good job, your determinati onwill not be forgotted (Excpet for Denny <_<)
You better not be fucking insulting me for wasting my time thinking and writing a full review for a long time about how many old stunts were there.
EDIT 1 : Made The Neo thing larger
EDIT 2 : Added more done bys
EDIT 3 : Added the fucking insulting me for wasting my time writing a ful lreview crap
EDIT 4 : Added more stuff in the editing part about the wrong name of hte song
EDIT 5 : Removed the Apotheosis thing
EDIT 6 : Hehe, added a couple more more "done bys" and edited a video name thanks to WEREWOLF
You thought that was a shitty review? Read mine. This is one of the reviews that don't have a comment after an old stunt. You all do know people waste their precious time doing these stuff don't you? They should be respected not flamed for saying shitty comments about the video. Atleast they try for people to download more videos and to know that old stunts are bad.
Read my review. Its horrific, like I wanted it to be.
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I agree in a sense, I think ragging about old stunts suck, but I cant say I would enjoy a video full of old stunts as much as a video full of new stunts.
If a person does loads of old stunts in a video, newbie or vet I WILL point it out, but I will NOT say it in a derogatory way, simply say:
'Just as a little tip, people find stunt videos more exciting when there are new stunts in them, so try and get some new stunts But, your effort was amazing, the stunts were all GOOD (regardless of being done before) and blah blah blah blah blah editing yadadada'
^^ Thats how you SHOULD review, if you want to mention old stunts. Dont say things in such a derogatory way (learnt what derogatory means today, sorry) all the time, HELPFUL and NICE critisism is listened to more than HARSH and IGNORANT shit.
My two cents, bitches.
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Aslong as they arent told in a bad way it doesnt bother me.
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My two cents, yap yap:
Case 1: If somone says: "Wow, awsome stunt", but actually the stunt was really easy, and the "review-er" doesn't know that, he will be amazed.
Case 2: But if someone says: "Looked easy", but actually the stunt was very hard (because of the runup, the bump etc), and the "review-er" doesn't know that, he will be bored, and if all stunts are like this one, he will give a shitty review.
Case 3: The stunt looks great and it was hard. The "review-er" will be amazed.
So, if someone re-do the stunt from case 3, he won't get a good comment, because the "review-er" saw it before and he won't be amazed, because the stunt is "old"...
That means people doesn't give positive comments about how hard a stunt was, but they give positive comments about how amazingly it looks and only if it was new.
That means all new guys that are coming here must watch a damn list of XXX videos and must download XX GB of vids just because to don't have old stunts in their vids?? People should stop giving pointless comments about new stunters' vids, like "I didn't liked it, all stunts were old". He's just a n00b and he needs practice and remember, you was a n00b too, so you should stop insulting, like a guy did some weeks ago:
HAHA!
U can't be seriouse!?
Worst thing i ever saw. And that music... WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT!?
0/10
FFS, this community is going down, I bet that in three years, this place will be history. WTF people, wake up...
I don't know if you understood me, but you should.
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I read you loud and clear Fugitive, and I agree. This place can't last if people keep acting like such assholes.
It almost seems like certain vets, or as I like to call them 'lucky to have gotten here when they did' forget how different things were when they joined up. Nobody can get through the fucking door anymore because of whatever prejudices vets have against new stunters. Luckily there are places like gtastunters where stunting is still actually this word in our language we call FUN. If I wasn't in a crew I swear I would quit because it's no fun stunting solo when all anyone does is shit on your work. If you're in a crew, you got some friends who are there to cheer you on and such.
I'm pretty fed up with all of this elitist bull shit that's happening. How about everyone steps off their high horses before this place goes to shit? Like Fugitive said...we ain't got much longer at this pace.
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Editing: Was ok, a bit too much maybe, but good job ost.
Stunts: Every stunt was old i think so...but some were cool.
Music: Ok song i guess, Ost made it work.
Well...this was kinda avarage i think, i was expecting a lot more, stunts mostly...
This was for my solo Empty Hopes, about 4 stunts were old, and i hadn't seen the videos which the old stunts were in , so not only can you get shat on for not knowing you did a old stunt, sometimes its exageratted a bit :S, EVERY STUNT MY ASS!
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It's quite simple on how I review videos. If the video has old stunts I say they were old but not in a full review thing. I just say it had some. Then I say to that stunter (if he is new) to DL more videos because quite frankly sometimes its like watching a re-run of a show. No one likes to watch the same show over and over, unless its really good. So even though a video might have old stunts i still say whether or not the stunts show how difficult they were.
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Fucking hell I told you why I did that crap. I wanted the stunters to watch more videos that I told in my review to see whwats new and whats old, and to tell them hte hard way that old stunts are bad, then they would find new stunts and they will be happier about themselves. I have a fucking 256k internet connection so its pretty fair for them to download the videos I have with their high ass connections. If someone has a fucking opinion of telling how a new stunter should improve you better tell it without being ignorant to my post, because its pissing me off the be ignored and being flamed in 3rd person.
Put it simple. I have my way of telling n00bs to download more videos and try harder stunts.
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i think it sucks when i find a stunt, not knowing if its been done, in a video i havent even heard of, cause i have a 15 GB video database on my comp, and i have seen all of these videos several times.
however, its not as impressive the second time you see a stunt, because the first time its like, woah, i can't believe he did that, and the second time its like, well we already know thats possible, but its still hard and looks cool
i think people who accidentally do a few old stunts should be given a break.
but if someone has been around here a long time and does a bunch of old stunts, they should probably be smacked. lol
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well if someone is new to the stunting comunity the dont know whats old and whats not...
im sure many of my stunts are old, but i dont care about
the thing that makes a stunt vid is just the editing i think
if the editing is good it can be good even if there are old stunts in it
sometimes i try stunts ive seen in a vid before - for me is getting it the goal, not if it has been done by someone or not
as long as the stunt is good, or just looks good because of the right handling or spot of the camera - its ok
is the meaning of stunting not finding new things for your own and have fun? as shadowsniper said, if u dont know the stunts are old und dont know that
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I have no problem if someone says:
"there was SOME old"
But if they say :
"All stunts were old" and it wasen't he is a asshole
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Since when is stunting about impressing people instead of having fun?
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well some guys realy impressing me... but i think they only wanted to have fun and share their stuff^^
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awesome video man, i mostly pay attention to the stunts and barley about the editing tongue.gif I saw a lot of old ones, so id like to point them out just for the fuck of it laugh.gif
0:55: done by Werewolf
1:06: done by Enigma/Aenima from the slope before it, but I think yours is better smile.gif
1:22: done by Mike is that one Hungarian collab I think
1:37: done by BloodyHook
2:06: done by Falcon
2:12: done by Samurai and a bunch of other people
2:21: done by Nitzkit
2:30: also done by Nitzkit
2:50: done by Nitzkit & Aenima/Enigma
2:55: done by kaneda
3:18: done by ZeroX
3:39: done by Nitzkit
3:52: done by Daffy
5:05: done by a lot of people just can't point out who did it first
5:13: done by X, but I know you knew that was done but you did it just for the hell of it smile.gif
5:29: done by Werewolf
5:35: done by kaneda
5:47: done by Barney....
phew, I think we're done here. laugh.gif
ALOT of old stunts that I thought were amazing before, but not as much now sicne they were done already.
Good video all around 8/10 rolleyes.gif
LOL
that made me laugh
anyway on topic
i dont really care if i use old stunts in a vid... ive already gotten bad reviwes from the last 3 vids about my gfx...
but i guess as long as u can see the stunt, its alright...
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Since when is stunting about impressing people instead of having fun?
We have a winner!!
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^ Tell em what he's won
Neo's on fire today
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awwwww, no, my e-feelings. :C
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Since when is stunting about impressing people instead of having fun?
Stunting for yourself is for fun, making videos are to impress community
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I tend to agree that narrow-minded reviewing can make stunting a chore. If a person is stunting for the pure enjoyment of it, they're not gonna care that a stunt is old...and neither should anyone on these forums who stunts for the pure enjoyment. Every single person on these forums has done a stunt at one point or another that was done by someone else...whether they knew it was old or not.
Exactly, now, I'm kinda speaking for myself, since my last video sucked because all the stunts were old or easy...so what? I did them because I liked them, I didnt care if you like em or not, I just did it because I wanted to...that's the way stunting should be....it's become a ver strict competition these days.
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Why do you waste our and your time to show us stuff that we don't like to see? Selfish, ah?
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My memory sucks btw, so quite often I do old stunts. Though I always show a preview to someone before the release, to minimize the risk of having old stunts in it.
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Do fresh and new stunts, push the limits, if you do old stunts and get a bad review, don't cry, you knew it was coming.
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Do fresh and new stunts, push the limits, if you do old stunts and get a bad review, don't cry, you knew it was coming.
There's hardly anything to do in Vice City anymore....in SA, it's either hill jumps in the forest or you're fucked....just face it, pretty much every single spot is taken for new stunts.....and WTF are we supposed to come up with for new stunts eh?
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This kind of stuff hurts. Vice City is small compared to San Andreas, so finding stunts is twice the work, and finding good stunts at that. So basically, if you weren't stunting from the beginning, finding new stunts will be a bitch, and completing them will be even worse. Everyone tries their hardest at making a vid, even if it's not too good, at least appreciate the work put into the vid... don't say anything that you don't want people saying to you.
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I think we all know how this goes, everyones dandy and shit until a video with an old stunt appears and then they pounce, worthless.
My 2 cents:
I used to do it all the time, "oh that's old", but now it's more like "Really well executed, nice stunt, old though " and move on, nothing wrong with it, just proving a point, if you're out there to jsut straight up tell people their stunts are old, you're an asshole, have fun with a community built on pride and prejudice because you aren't going to go far with the nice ones.
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I think we all know how this goes, everyones dandy and shit until a video with an old stunt appears and then they pounce, worthless.
My 2 cents:
I used to do it all the time, "oh that's old", but now it's more like "Really well executed, nice stunt, old though " and move on, nothing wrong with it, just proving a point, if you're out there to jsut straight up tell people their stunts are old, you're an asshole, have fun with a community built on pride and prejudice because you aren't going to go far with the nice ones.
The truth.
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Do fresh and new stunts, push the limits, if you do old stunts and get a bad review, don't cry, you knew it was coming.
^ X2, i see everyone moaning here about how not to point out old stunts (and i agree partially, for newbies) but yet no one ever puts old stunts in videos,i find that ironic hehe, first thing you do when you find a spot you try to find out if its old, then when u land it u search abit more just to make sure it hasnt been done b4, then they come here and say how they dont care bout old stunts, thats called being a hypocrit i think ive never seen an ATS or XSA(with buzzsaw and kremlin) vid with old stunts and that made them the best vids around, even those on ps2, as much as you'd like to not hurt newcomers the people that have been here for awhile need to be told whats new and whats not
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Stunting for yourself is for fun, making videos are to impress community
Maybe you do, others like to share their video to see where they can improve or w/e else in stunting
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well said well said and btw itz i like the random image of the day!
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Im thinking of joining this Community, but i dont know if i last long. , i dont want to get a " shitty review " cause of some old stunts
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This kind of stuff hurts. Vice City is small compared to San Andreas, so finding stunts is twice the work, and finding good stunts at that. So basically, if you weren't stunting from the beginning, finding new stunts will be a bitch, and completing them will be even worse. Everyone tries their hardest at making a vid, even if it's not too good, at least appreciate the work put into the vid... don't say anything that you don't want people saying to you.
Wrong in my opinion, you also have lc to stunt in, and you have a real psm, a real bsm (which SA has soon ) And Better taxi boosts, thus giving you much more freedom
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When I watch a stunt video for the first time, I don't watch it for the 'new' stunts. I watch it for the 'wow' factor - when the credits roll, I want to be able to say 'Wow, those guys did a really nice job on this' and I want to be able to post a good review afterwards. I don't mind old stunts at all - in my honest opinion, it's like paying omage to the person who has done it before them. So go on, put a few old stunts in your upcoming video, as long as your intentions are to pay omage, as I said earliar.