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Gaming Discussion / Re: Dab88's Stunting Documentary Thoughts
« on: October 16, 2021, 10:56:24 AM »
To the two guys above me: it would be amazing to have a comprehensive timeline of GTAS from the earliest days to present. I would definitely read or watch it. But that being said, we are talking about almost 2 decades so covering all of that would be an immense effort. Still, I hope it happens one day, GTASDB was just created as well so a documentary could happen, too.

About the video, it's indeed great and I can see the true purpose of it, so it's really well built up in its topic. What makes me wonder as well is that why it is someone outside of this community who took the time and effort to make this video. Well, thank you Sir.
I might be jumping to conclusions but I think the core element of this community don't have much to do with the current stunting scene - as in, GTAV, which is without a doubt the most popular one generally. Even though the preferred stunting games for the hardcore GTA stunters will be in VC and SA, the fact is there's extremely little I am aware of when it comes to stunting outside of that, and I pay little attention to. These forums, and the people in it, myself included, are not a part of the current popular stunting trend.

I speak in generalisations and for myself, I don't question that there will be some who are quite savvy with stunting across all the platforms, but I feel here the most popular topics and videos gravitate towards those older GTA games of Vice City and San Andreas, even today.

I know Aries has expressed a desire to document GTAStunting's history before, but as you said it'd be a gargantuan task and you'd risk infuriating specific people should you accidentally omit something they felt is important to them.

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Gaming Discussion / Re: Dab88's Stunting Documentary Thoughts
« on: October 14, 2021, 10:27:02 AM »
A long and detailed video documenting the history of GTAStunting might be interesting to a niche selection of people but it'd probably be at least a couple of hours long and may need broken up into a couple of parts.

The Rise and Fall of GTAStunting (Or the Rise, Fall and Rebirth? Is this a renaissance that the forums are undergoing? Not sure).

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VC Stunting Challenges / Re: Hoff's easy challenge game
« on: October 12, 2021, 11:48:44 AM »
https://youtu.be/zL_6586i1wQ lel
Alright that does it, time for me to learn - HOW do you set those kind of CSMs up?
wdym, u mean how the freeway go up or how to set up the CSM?
Setting up the CSM.
check a message man xd
Appreciate it. Bit of a funky set-up method making the most of Dannye's main.scm, I'm just used to setting stunts up more manually.

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VC Stunting Challenges / Re: Hoff's easy challenge game
« on: October 12, 2021, 10:57:32 AM »
https://youtu.be/zL_6586i1wQ lel
Alright that does it, time for me to learn - HOW do you set those kind of CSMs up?
wdym, u mean how the freeway go up or how to set up the CSM?
Setting up the CSM.

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VC Stunting Challenges / Re: Hoff's easy challenge game
« on: October 12, 2021, 10:44:16 AM »
https://youtu.be/zL_6586i1wQ lel
Alright that does it, time for me to learn - HOW do you set those kind of CSMs up?

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VC Stunting Challenges / Re: Hoff's easy challenge game
« on: October 10, 2021, 03:12:16 AM »
https://youtu.be/PmLmKfEtCOw
Why :((
Sorry Khaimyk and all stunters, I was stupid. Khaimyk is true, maybe I should quit stunt now.  :ajaja:
Just stop spawning vehicles inside buildings you're doing OK.

Angel Fire - it's not the difficulty that was the issue, it's the fact he had a packer mainly inside a building to do the stunt. If you cannot legitimately get a packer with normal methods it shouldn't be done.

Anyways go land my LC HECG, luck is certainly a factor I did it after 10 minutes last night (but previous times I've tried to land it I've landed it upside down several times, so yah it's a bit of an RNG stunt).

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VC Un-Modded Stunting Video Releases / Re: ♦ Skyward 4 ♦
« on: October 09, 2021, 05:16:25 AM »
Live review: https://youtu.be/9y1-DPonVdw

That was phenomenol editing.

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VC Stunting Challenges / Re: Hoff's easy challenge game
« on: October 08, 2021, 05:29:37 PM »
Could we continue the game ?
Waiting for some fucker to land my challenge - taxi boost in Washington, VC.

https://youtu.be/_SpeH08RQeI

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Gaming Discussion / Re: Dab88's Stunting Documentary Thoughts
« on: October 08, 2021, 02:44:29 PM »
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He also appears to go along the route of memory-holing the older GTA games when a new one is out as if the older games are not touched again by stunters.

This is so legit it came to mind as I watched it back fresh this evening! I've been watching loads of VC/SA videos lately over the past month or two and they're all contemporary. Didn't really realise how much I separated things within the context of the video. Might have to add some clarifications to the description.
It's understandable you not trying to push that from the purpose of the video of introducing stunting to newbies, and you also did have what looked like a VC video clip from Ltab that was somewhat more modern compared to the other VC example shown, so it is somewhat nit-picking. For the casual gamer it's hard to really point out that regardless of the newer games coming out, those previous games were, quite often, just as popular (if not more popular) than the newer GTA titles to stunt in.

Most of the old-school stunters prefer VC and SA. There are VC guys who, when SA came out, stuck to VC as they weren't a big fan of that engine. There are SA guys who discovered VC and some hated it and some loved it. And most SA and VC guys did not really dig GTAIV that much. You're right in pointing out the RAGE engine was a contributing factor to that, as bike stunts being quite floaty (as well as the packer, a crucial stunting vehicle, not having a full ramp to utilise for stunts) seriously putting off that older generation of stunters.

GTAV was a game-changer as you said for the popularity of stunting. The massive Nomad Union video was one of the only times that my old TMS crewmate Turtle Dick earned money from stunting - every single previous stunt video had music that invariably meant we could not monetise our hard work in showcasing our abilities. With some videos getting mildly viral (SA Smackdown probably the best example of that) the first generation of stunters somewhat missed out on potential extra money from their talents in stunting.

Saying all this makes me feel like I'm talking about brilliant boxers of the 90s and 00s who are envious of the big paydays that today's heavyweights get to enjoy and so are coming back for 'one more fight', though.

You did a great job with the video and I feel like people who might have expected every single nuance of GTAStunting's history to have been included in the video to think again as to what the goal of the video was.

I'm not sure how easy it is for dubious stunters to cheat in GTAV (I know it is quite anti-modding in general but people still find ways), but the fact of the matter is that the VC and SA games are frustratingly simple to get away with cheating in. Unless it's obvious when looking at it, anyone can get away with slightly modifying the data file of vehicle properties to give themselves maybe a touch more speed or their bike slightly less heavy. If the sort of YouTube popularity and general social media scene was as prominent back then as it was today I can only assume the incentives for people to adopt such measures would've grown a hundredfold. The older generation of stunters never had a monetary incentive to stunt so it simply boiled down to trying to impress your peers.

Anyways, as I said it's a good video. I gave it a like.

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VC Stunting Challenges / Re: Hoff's easy challenge game
« on: October 08, 2021, 02:14:21 PM »
Yeah I know I feel the same but it all started when they switched the game.. :( I usually continue it in the same game where it was started.
Then we'd never leave the fucking map, ever :lol:

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Gaming Discussion / Re: Dab88's Stunting Documentary Thoughts
« on: October 08, 2021, 01:16:50 PM »
As a dinosaur of stunting who's mainly stuck in the past of 2005-2011-ish era of VC stunting, allow me to say to folk that I feel like this video has done what it set out to do.

This was not about being a history of specific periods of stunting history (and specifically GTA stunting, even though the GTA titles are the main stunting playgrounds), this is about introducing the neutrals and the ignorant (to stunting) to what stunting in video games is about, and how it roughly came about from what we know are the earliest records.

It was for the most part well structured, covered the important points and I can't think of much being 'wrong' which is most crucial for videos such as this. There's always room for more in videos such as these but when those videos misrepresent things then that's a red flag. That does not appear to be the case here.

I'll just copy and paste what I said to DC earlier too to further convey what I'm trying to say:

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it's a good documentary about stunting in general, but one gripe is that he's quite dismissive of stunters not 'evolving' with the newer games. He also appears to go along the route of memory-holing the older GTA games when a new one is out as if the older games are not touched again by stunters. This can be misleading to a neutral viewer. The fact is that stunting within VC and SA was at its height in the mid-2000s, and was still growing strong 2010 onwards after GTAIV was long out, but people mainly didn't 'move on' to GTAIV for various factors such as computer limitations or a dislike of the rage game engine for stunting as you were quite floaty on those bikes when in the air.

He does cover that issue of the game engine well but kinda glossed over it being a contributing factor on why the older names did not just hop over to each subsequent GTA title and keep stunting away.

I know that the purpose of the documentary is simply to introduce neutrals to what stunting in games are. i enjoyed most of the video, and I am nitpicking for sake of nitpicking. I am a self-confessed dinosaur of stunting though.

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